Karma's a bitch: The Swedish case against Julian Assange is leaked.

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Hayabusa Rider

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I don't know the laws when it comes to aiding and abetting (in) a criminal enterprise but I'm sure your ass would be on the line as well. lol, if reporters go to jail for not naming their source (that would be YOU), do you think you get off free? You're not doing some saintly work simply because you give illegal information to the press.

Would you show us where it's been legally determined to be a criminal enterprise, or is this a case of "I say it is, I believe it, and that's good enough for you"?

FYI Wikileaks would be most likely found to be a news outlet by today's standards (sucks, eh?) and therefore not likely to prosecuted as you'd like.

Then again you're pro-bestiality so what can I say :p
 

Narmer

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Narmer, nothing you are saying changes the fact Assange is the messenger everyone is attacking him for such.

We had servicemen commit treason, pieces of shit from our own country who did the actual damage of stealing the information and giving it to Assange to leak. Those are the pieces of shit that should burn at the stake.
And what I am trying to tell you is that the messenger is not some holy saint in this enterprise. He is just as guilty. One thing you may not understand is that a lot of messengers know this. Fuck, considering Assange's secretive nature, even he knew this as well. Messengers are frequently on the wrong side of the law. If you think the law is stupid, then get your local representative to change it.
 

FelixDeCat

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Joolian Assssssnge :thumbsdown: :whiste: :p
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Narmer

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Would you show us where it's been legally determined to be a criminal enterprise, or is this a case of "I say it is, I believe it, and that's good enough for you"?

FYI Wikileaks would be most likely found to be a news outlet by today's standards (sucks, eh?) and therefore not likely to prosecuted as you'd like.

Then again you're pro-bestiality so what can I say :p
Wikileaks (incorporated) would not be prosecuted but Assange certainly could be.
 

Narmer

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Regarding the OP, I think Assange is about to find out what happens when you fuck with a superpower. Yeah, he may die early and become a martyr to liberals and tree-huggers. But, right there on his wikipedia page is going to be "Assange was convicted of raping two women and a goat name Emilio. He was "assassinated" after complications from being impaled by the goat's father, Henry, who caught him in the act".
 
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That didn't take too long....invoking Godwin's law that is. Let me ask you a question: is there no "tyranny" between the extremes of Nazi Germany and a utopia?

he didn't invoke godwin's law there. invoking godwin's law means likening your opposition to some aspect of hitler or nazi germany.

he was stating that that is the model for tyranny. now my response is, depending on your definition a utopia can be a tyranny as well. my assertion is that the model state described in plato's "the republic" is a tyranny.
 

nublikescake

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Regarding the OP, I think Assange is about to find out what happens when you fuck with a superpower.

That kind of a statement is exactly why the detractors of Wikileaks have nothing against the organization or Assange because it seems to imply that even if the superpower commits wrong, it can ultimately prevail by suppressing Wikileaks just like its dirty secrets that it had been able to conceal until Wikileaks outed them.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong about the above and you can show me that this "superpower" has nothing to hide and is in the right when it tries to go after him or punish him for revealing the secrets?
 

nublikescake

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he didn't invoke godwin's law there. invoking godwin's law means likening your opposition to some aspect of hitler or nazi germany.

Not exactly. Here's what Wikipedia says about Godwin's law:

"In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all online discussions—regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis"

It's very much a sign of weakness of one's argument when a person resorts to mentioning Hitler or Nazis or Nazi Germany when clearly most situations/discussions are nowhere near as extreme as Hitler or Nazism/Nazis.

he was stating that that is the model for tyranny. now my response is, depending on your definition a utopia can be a tyranny as well. my assertion is that the model state described in plato's "the republic" is a tyranny.

Clearly, I mentioned the word "utopia" in the same sentence as "Nazi Germany" to show the two as polar opposites. As such, there can be no tyranny in a utopia. At least, the way the word is used today. See dictionary definition:

"Ideally perfect state; especially in its social and political and moral aspects"
 

Narmer

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That kind of a statement is exactly why the detractors of Wikileaks have nothing against the organization or Assange because it seems to imply that even if the superpower commits wrong, it can ultimately prevail by suppressing Wikileaks just like its dirty secrets that it had been able to conceal until Wikileaks outed them.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong about the above and you can show me that this "superpower" has nothing to hide and is in the right when it tries to go after him or punish him for revealing the secrets?
Read the leaks, what wrongs have they exposed?
 

nublikescake

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Read the leaks, what wrongs have they exposed?

Do you live under a rock or what? Let me give you two examples from the extremes of wrongs committed by the U.S. government and military that the leaks have exposed:

1) Spying on U.N. personnel
2) Killing civilians in cold blood


Need I go on?

Also, don't forget that the leaks have just started to come out. 1000 out of 250,000 cables have been released. There's a LOT more to go and it ain't gonna be pretty.
 

Narmer

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Do you live under a rock or what? Let me give you two examples from the extremes of wrongs committed by the U.S. government and military that the leaks have exposed:

1) Spying on U.N. personnel
2) Killing civilians in cold blood


Need I go on?

Also, don't forget that the leaks have just started to come out. 1000 out of 250,000 cables have been released. There's a LOT more to go and it ain't gonna be pretty.
There is nothing wrong with spying and I do not consider that wrong in any way whatsoever. Also, I was talking about the diplomatic cables but I don't have a problem with gunships mowing down suspected insurgents. If there was something illegal about #2 those responsible would've been dealt with. You are a very sensitive man.
 

Eli

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I don't understand any of the hate for this guy.

His personal life is one thing, who gives a shit about that?

But Wikileaks, and the leaking of private/confidential/secret government documents is a GOOD thing. The public should be allowed to know these things.

He gets a big thumbsup as far as I'm concerned.
 

Narmer

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I don't understand any of the hate for this guy.

His personal life is one thing, who gives a shit about that?

But Wikileaks, and the leaking of private/confidential/secret government documents is a GOOD thing. The public should be allowed to know these things.

He gets a big thumbsup as far as I'm concerned.
Not everything needs to be public, at least not when the parties involved are still working.
 

nublikescake

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There is nothing wrong with spying.

Hate to break it to you but the majority of your fellow human beings would disagree. It's also a crime in pretty much every country in the world. Can I spy on you to get your credit card info?

I don't have a problem with gunships mowing down suspected insurgents.

Except those people were NOT "suspected insurgents".

If there was something illegal about #2 those responsible would've been dealt with.

Again, working from the false assumption that the U.S. military and its systems can do no wrong.

You are a very sensitive man.

Tell that to the families of the slaughtered innocent men.
 

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I sincerely hope this guy get what he truly deserves ...
I agree completely.

I'd say he deservers a nobel prize or something.

(also, I would compare the fanatical devotion to corrupt government you can see in this thread to Stockholm syndrome)
 

Eli

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WTH is that supposed to mean? What if what they're "still working" on is wrong and unethical?

I understand his point. If there's an ongoing investigation, it's bad to have information leaked.

But I still don't care. This guy is doing what many people should have done long ago; make governments accountable. This is never a bad thing.

If this guy gets wrongly prosecuted, or ends up dead, it's going to make a lot of people go "Hmmmm", and want to fight his fight. That's a good thing, overall.

People shouldn't be sheep.
 

foghorn67

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I agree completely.

I'd say he deservers a nobel prize or something.

(also, I would compare the fanatical devotion to corrupt government you can see in this thread to Stockholm syndrome)

wow, ten posts. Probably google search trolling. Where is your degree?
 

foghorn67

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I understand his point. If there's an ongoing investigation, it's bad to have information leaked.

But I still don't care. This guy is doing what many people should have done long ago; make governments accountable. This is never a bad thing.

If this guy gets wrongly prosecuted, or ends up dead, it's going to make a lot of people go "Hmmmm", and want to fight his fight.

You can't do things without consequences. You want to blow the whistle, leak stolen docs, either way you think of it you have to think about what can happen.
Soldier leaking info? Expect the consequences. So what you are holding someone responsible. Why is that responsibility missed on the individual?
Why should the law ignore someone that is hero?
This is how everything is wrong these days. You guys say you want justice to be blind, but it's about popularity.
Assange, Manning...should be just as responsible as you want the government to be.
 

Eli

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You can't do things without consequences. You want to blow the whistle, leak stolen docs, either way you think of it you have to think about what can happen.
Soldier leaking info? Expect the consequences. So what you are holding someone responsible. Why is that responsibility missed on the individual?
Why should the law ignore someone that is hero?
This is how everything is wrong these days. You guys say you want justice to be blind, but it's about popularity.
Assange, Manning...should be just as responsible as you want the government to be.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any of what you just said. I'm not sure how it counters what I said. I said wrongly prosecuted...
 

Narmer

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Hate to break it to you but the majority of your fellow human beings would disagree. It's also a crime in pretty much every country in the world. Can I spy on you to get your credit card info?



Except those people were NOT "suspected insurgents".



Again, working from the false assumption that the U.S. military and its systems can do no wrong.



Tell that to the families of the slaughtered innocent men.
Of course spying is illegal, except when government does it. Government has a monopoly on laws. This is common sense.
 

Narmer

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I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any of what you just said. I'm not sure how it counters what I said. I said wrongly prosecuted...
How can it counter it when you say "I still don't care"?