Karma is bullsh!t

[DainBramaged]

I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

 

[Schadenfreude]

People need a sense of justice in the world they live in. That's all.

 

[jagec]

I don't think nearly as many people ACTUALLY believe in it than you seem to think. I bet if you really talked to most people who say "Oh well, good karma" or whatever, they'll tell you that yeah, it's more like attitude, or word-of-mouth...good people do good things, and other people realize that and treat them well.

 

[leftyman]

In this endless and merciless
cycle of suffering,
the law of cause and effect
reigns supreme
and without respite
over everything;
Karma towers over all,
blocking out the sun,
yet its shadow does not fall
on the person walking with Tao.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: jagec
I don't think nearly as many people ACTUALLY believe in it than you seem to think. I bet if you really talked to most people who say "Oh well, good karma" or whatever, they'll tell you that yeah, it's more like attitude, or word-of-mouth...good people do good things, and other people realize that and treat them well.

See the calculator thread. I do agree with the word of mouth thing. Your rep is really all that matters with most people. There is no mystical thing called karma.

 

[BrokenVisage]

This thread will bring you bad karma.

 

[gigapet]

are you arguing that in general......doing bad things wont result in bad things happening to you and that doing good things wont result in good things happening to you.

 

[Fritzo]

No, it actually makes sense. If you do good, people will look at you differently than if you're a bad person. A good person will cause people to be nice to that person, do extra things, go the extra mile, bend the rules, etc. That trickles down and adds up.

A bad person spreads hate, which can set off a series of events that cause bad things to happen.

Simple, yet logical.

 

[alien42]

karma seems quite logical to me. balance is universal as is cause and effect.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: gigapet
are you arguing that in general......doing bad things wont result in bad things happening to you and that doing good things wont result in good things happening to you.

Yes. I agree that if you do good things, people may notice which may help you out later in life and vice versa, I'm just saying that there is no "mystical" thing called karma.

For example, if I took the calculator and kept it even knowing who's it was, and NOBODY ever knew about it, nothing bad would happen to me later to punish me.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life. Sometimes the consequences are immediate, sometimes they don't come along for a long time. But every decision we make in our lives has consequences.

 

[ondarkness]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
People need a sense of justice in the world they live in. That's all.

and false reassurance. and parental figures, and a religious loop hole to hop into when the s hits the fan.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life.

There is nothing mystical about that.

 

[RaDragon]

"In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)
Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. " - Source.

More info about Karma-- read Western-based interpretation.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life.

Karma is the belief in cause and effect in a spiritual sense, rather than the physical sense

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life.

There is nothing mystical about that.

I never claimed there was. It's pretty simple really. Every choice we make in our lives has consequences. Sometimes the consequences are immediate, sometimes they take longer to come around. That's what karma means to me.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: RaDragon
"In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)
Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. " - Source.

More info about Karma-- read Western-based interpretation.

This is what qualifies as bullsh!t.

 

[RaDragon]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: RaDragon
"In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)
Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. " - Source.

More info about Karma-- read Western-based interpretation.

This is what qualifies as bullsh!t.

You are clearly beyond helping. Best of luck with your life.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: gigapet
are you arguing that in general......doing bad things wont result in bad things happening to you and that doing good things wont result in good things happening to you.

Yes. I agree that if you do good things, people may notice which may help you out later in life and vice versa, I'm just saying that there is no "mystical" thing called karma.

For example, if I took the calculator and kept it even knowing who's it was, and NOBODY ever knew about it, nothing bad would happen to me later to punish me.

no your mis understanding it. Karma is a metaphor for cause and effect in our personal lives and relationships. You may not necessarily see the effect for every cause though like in your calculator example.... That had an effect but you did not recognize or associate it with you keeping the calculator. So just because you didnt acknowledge the effect that does not mean there was not one.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life.

I never claimed there was. It's pretty simple really. Every choice we make in our lives has consequences. Sometimes the consequences are immediate, sometimes they take longer to come around. That's what karma means to me.

So, say you slept with this guys wife and *nobody* but the two of you *ever* knew. Are you going to get punished for it later by something or someone? If you say yes, then I think that's stupid.
There is nothing mystical about that.

 

[dugweb]

you cannot maintain an attitude of something that you do not live. If you think that cheating a little here and there, or being a douchebag to someone you feel is under you and being able to just turn around and be an angel when the time necessitates you are in for a terrible surprise.

Karma may not exist in the way you think it does, but there is cause and effect for all of our actions.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: RaDragon
"In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)
Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. " - Source.

More info about Karma-- read Western-based interpretation.

This is what qualifies as bullsh!t.

You are clearly beyond helping. Best of luck with your life.

Thanks for the info. I'm sure because you are being nice to me, somebody someday who has no idea that you are a nice person will do something insanely awesome just because you said nice words to me. :thumbsup:

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: gigapet
are you arguing that in general......doing bad things wont result in bad things happening to you and that doing good things wont result in good things happening to you.

Yes. I agree that if you do good things, people may notice which may help you out later in life and vice versa, I'm just saying that there is no "mystical" thing called karma.

For example, if I took the calculator and kept it even knowing who's it was, and NOBODY ever knew about it, nothing bad would happen to me later to punish me.

Maybe nothing bad would happen and maybe something bad would happen by your keeping it. . .you really don't know what the universe has in store for you. But you can rest assured that whatever GOOD that might have happened because you returned it will surely remain a mystery. What if the person who owned the calculator turned out to be the woman who you would marry and be happy with for the rest of your life. . .Because you were greedy and kept the calculator, you missed out on that. . .see how it works? It is based on the fact that you really DON'T ALWAYS KNOW what will happen in life so it is better to plant seeds of good rather than seeds of evil.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I seriously don't get why so many people actually believe in it. The idea that something good will happen somewhere down the line because you did the right thing or vice versa is so retarded. The only thing that might ever affect you is your attitude, which people can sense.

Ok here's some karma for you. . .say you sleep with some guys wife. He finds out. . .he comes and blows your brains out.

Karma is more like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in my POV. It just means you pay the consequences for your actions in life.

I never claimed there was. It's pretty simple really. Every choice we make in our lives has consequences. Sometimes the consequences are immediate, sometimes they take longer to come around. That's what karma means to me.

So, say you slept with this guys wife and *nobody* but the two of you *ever* knew. Are you going to get punished for it later by something or someone? If you say yes, then I think that's stupid.
There is nothing mystical about that.

How can you guarantee that nobody but the two of you will ever know? You cannot control what she does. It can also have to do with what might have happened in our lives but does not happen because of our actions. Don't think only about what will happen.

 

[UNCjigga]

It makes for good television!!! :thumbsup: