Kansas Teacher Fired For Political Views

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Original thread locked due to wardrobe malfunction ;)

Let's keep this one on topic, eh?

Pretty outrageous actions by the school if you ask me.

Here is the update. Original story below.

Kansas Teacher With Conservative Views Gets Job Back
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller


Tim Latham
A high school teacher in Kansas who claimed his contract was not renewed due to his conservative political views has been reinstated.

Tim Latham, 44, who was told that his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic," will return this fall to the 2,000-student Lawrence High School in Lawrence, Kan., where he'll continue teaching American history and government for a second consecutive year. Since the contract renewal became official late last week, Latham, a teaching veteran of 20 years, said he's received countless well-wishes from students and teachers alike.

"My cell phone just went off again," Latham told FOXNews.com on Tuesday. "I have received well over 1,000 e-mails, comments on my Facebook page, personal letters and phone calls, not only from all over the country, but from all over the world. I even had a guy who wrote me from China, saying he could see this happening in China, but not here."

Latham, who was criticized by a student for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during class, filed a grievance with his school district earlier this month after he was told in April that his contract would not be renewed.

The married father of three had claimed school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and said school administrators were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.

But Latham was informed last Thursday by District Superintendent Randy Weseman that there were "inconsistencies in the evaluation process" and that his contract would be renewed for 2009-10. Latham said he was not surprised.

"I thought that if they followed the letter of the contract and if they looked at all the evidence, there was no other result that could happen," he said. "It had to happen."

Weseman confirmed to FOXNews.com that Latham will be back next year. He said administrators erred by not conducting enough in-class evaluations.

"To make a long story short, they didn't do what they were supposed to," Weseman said. "Obviously there are implications to procedures not being followed."

Latham conducted himself in a "respectful and dignified" manner throughout the process, Weseman said, adding that the "injustice" claimed by Latham had been confirmed.

During a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry, Latham claims Gentry mentioned his school-affiliated Web site, which she called "too patriotic." The site had links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.

He claimed the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One unidentified student has complained to Gentry that Latham had been too critical of Obama.

"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said earlier this month. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."

Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.

"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."

Latham said a condition of his reinstatement would be that Gentry would not conduct his evaluations any longer, Weseman said. Gentry could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.

"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com earlier this month. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."

Well, it's more than obvious now why he was fired. Here is the original story on it which made it pretty obvious:

Kansas Teacher Claims Conservative Views Led to Loss of Job
Friday, June 12, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

Tim Latham, who has spent the last 19 years teaching students American history and government, spent the past school year at a high school in Lawrence, Kan. ? and it appears his first year at the school will be his last.

Latham claims it has nothing to do with his abilities as a teacher and everything to do with his conservative politics.

Latham ? who was criticized for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during an American history class ? says he first realized during a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry that his personal political views weren't making the grade with the rest of the faculty at the 2,000-student Lawrence High School.

The 44-year-old teacher filed a grievance earlier this month with his district after his contract was not renewed in April. He argues the district didn't follow the proper process.

"It's gross misconduct," he said. "[The district] jumped straight to non-renewal."

Several calls placed to Gentry, Principal Steve Nilhas and District Superintendent Randy Weseman were not returned. Kansas National Education Association Director Bruce Lindskog could not be reached for comment.

David Cunningham, director of human resources for the school district, declined to discuss Latham's allegations in detail.

"All I can say is we have procedures in place to make decisions on employment," Cunningham told FOXNews.com. "All of our procedures were followed correctly."

Latham claims school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and says they were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.

During Latham's brief meeting with Gentry, he claims Gentry told him his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic." The site has links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.

"I mean, I teach American history and government," Latham explained. "We had been in school not even a month."

He claims the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One student, whom Latham declined to identify, complained to Gentry that he had been too critical of Obama.

"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."

Latham says he supported McCain because of the Arizona senator's military service and lengthy political experience. He admitted to offering students critical viewpoints of Obama due to his lack of experience compared to McCain.

"When you try to show two sides of an individual, sometimes people don't like that," he said. "They want to hear all of the sunshine, but none of the rain. I aligned more with [McCain's] values than I did with Obama, but I treated Obama with fairness."

Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.

"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."

The married father of three said the experience hasn?t affected his desire to teach. And support from students and a local conservative group have inspired him to fight for his job.

Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.

"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."

Latham defended his decision not to show Obama's inauguration because he'd opted not to show any similar events.

"I've never shown an inauguration," he said. "I never showed any of Bush's; I wouldn't have shown McCain's. I was not showing any bias towards Obama ... I didn't intend to interrupt the class."

Asked if she felt Latham brought his personal politics into the classroom, Mercer replied, "Not really. He was very good about looking at both candidates. Sometimes his conservative side would show, but my opinion along with anyone else's was always valued."

Mercer, a self-described liberal, said she hopes school officials revisit their decision. She's one of many current and former Lawrence High students supporting Latham on a Facebook page.

"It's really disappointing because he's a really good teacher," she said. "It doesn't seem fair. Why would they let a good teacher go?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526060,00.html

This is pretty outrageous. What are your thoughts?


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Rike

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Pushy admins with personal agendas that have nothing to do with educational quality or student outcomes was one of the primary driving forces behind the desire of public school teachers to unionize.
 

AreaCode707

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I'd love to hear what the assistant principal has to say for herself at this point.

Weseman confirmed to FOXNews.com that Latham will be back next year. He said administrators erred by not conducting enough in-class evaluations.

"To make a long story short, they didn't do what they were supposed to," Weseman said. "Obviously there are implications to procedures not being followed."

Latham conducted himself in a "respectful and dignified" manner throughout the process, Weseman said, adding that the "injustice" claimed by Latham had been confirmed.

Yay for the administration being man enough to own up to its' errors. Hopefully those involved in bring politics, not just on a conversational level but on a vindictive level, will be disciplined.
 

ProfJohn

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Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.

If he was a liberal, he would never have been fired..
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.

If he was a liberal, he would never have been fired..

No if he was liberal and got fired nuts like you and the others here would be say GOOD.

Funny how when someone does it as a republican they should get their job back. If its a liberal then...

And all that will happen is next year they will follow the contract to a T and then let him go.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a smart he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.

Fixed. If indeed he was singled out unfairly for his political views I believe that he should sue.
 

PokerGuy

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I appreciate the fact that the school district owned up and admitted the wrongdoing, but I wonder how much of that is based on the fact that they realized that the teacher was going to take them to court and mop the floor with them.

I don't care if it's a lefty or righty, students should not be subjected to partisan hackery in the classroom. If he's guilty of that, then by all means get rid of him, but I haven't seen that assertion anywhere. Looks like that That Jan Gentry is your typical whiner, she's the one who should be fired for incompetence.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.
Give the gratuitous trolling a rest. There are at least as many crybaby conservatives as liberals (see "Attack on Christmas" and other conservative persecution myths). We only have one side of the story, and that was apparently presented by Fox, acknowledged as biased even by most on the right ("Well yeah, but MSNBC is bad too."). What we don't have is any word from the school administration as to why his contract was not renewed. All they've said is they didn't follow the letter of the "law" in making their decision. Perhaps he truly was dropped due to his political views, but maybe he was an incompetent or obnoxious asshat who was doing a poor job, and is now playing the victim card to get publicity and provoke the usual knee-jerk, conservative outrage. We simply do not have the whole story.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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If you're a religion other than Christian and you teach in Alabama good luck keeping your job if admin finds out. I know a teacher whom the admin found out she was pagan through one of her in-laws and the stuff they did to ostracize her (always when there wouldn't be proof) was just downright insane.

I assume this guy found some proof of what they were doing to him and got them to reinstate him because of it.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
We simply do not have the whole story.

We might not have the whole story, but we certainly have enough to draw some conclusions. The fact that the district did a 180 and will renew his contract says a lot. The fact that they won't stand behind Gentry, agreeing to NOT have her doing his reviews in the future tells me they believe she was in the wrong. They know they'd get sued and lose, so they reversed course. If it was just a matter of the teacher being a righty nutjob trying to push his views on students, the district would have not renewed the contract, they are not under any obligation to do so.

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
We simply do not have the whole story.

We might not have the whole story, but we certainly have enough to draw some conclusions. The fact that the district did a 180 and will renew his contract says a lot. The fact that they won't stand behind Gentry, agreeing to NOT have her doing his reviews in the future tells me they believe she was in the wrong. They know they'd get sued and lose, so they reversed course. If it was just a matter of the teacher being a righty nutjob trying to push his views on students, the district would have not renewed the contract, they are not under any obligation to do so.

No, if you pulled your head out of your rear long enough you see they did not follow the old contract to a T. They also did not want her to do the reviews as next year when they, after following the contract, remove him he can't play the "but the mean lady does not like me..." card.

If he sued the only thing he get was his old job back and back pay and that is due to them not doing the 4 reviews that are required by the contract. If they did the reviews he would not have his job now.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
We simply do not have the whole story.

We might not have the whole story, but we certainly have enough to draw some conclusions. The fact that the district did a 180 and will renew his contract says a lot. The fact that they won't stand behind Gentry, agreeing to NOT have her doing his reviews in the future tells me they believe she was in the wrong. They know they'd get sued and lose, so they reversed course. If it was just a matter of the teacher being a Right nutjob trying to push his views on students, the district would have not renewed the contract, they are not under any obligation to do so.

No, if you pulled your head out of your rear long enough you see they did not follow the old contract to a T. They also did not want her to do the reviews as next year when they, after following the contract, remove him he can't play the "but the mean lady does not like me..." card.

If he sued the only thing he get was his old job back and back pay and that is due to them not doing the 4 reviews that are required by the contract. If they did the reviews he would not have his job now.

they would silly to do it next year. unless they have some serious allegations against him.


either way politics should never enter the classroom. they should be as fair as they can. To many lean far to the left and if you are not with them you are against them.

School politics is fucked up anyway. IF the administration wants you gone you will be gone. i guarantee this teacher is going to be out of a job in the next 2-4 years. not just because he happens to have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker. he pissed off the Administration and made them look like fools.



in high school we had one teacher who was so anti-military it was sickening. I come from family with a strong history of military service. She would give me bad grades in class because i would argue her points all the time. i had to go to the school board and head of the district to get my grade reversed from a D to a B+. Shit like that shouldn't happen.

side note: LOL my spell check trys to change Palin to Plain. yeah i find that funny (hey i even was a McCain backer! but couldnt stand her)..ugh and damn my arthritis is killing me..hmm pain pills and coffe...
 

SP33Demon

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He was a fan of Palin, he couldn't have been too bright. Although nobody should lose their job because they're fans of a moron.
 

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I don't understand why everyone is so against the professors having political views. Throughout college and highschool I was subjected to the political ranting from most history and economic professors taking advantage of their captive audiences. Most of them were annoying, occasionally entertaining, but at least a conservative wouldn't have been a rerun. You just do what you do in every class: write papers that agree with their views to get an A and then move on. :p
 

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
I don't understand why everyone is so against the professors having political views. Throughout college and highschool I was subjected to the political ranting from most history and economic professors taking advantage of their captive audiences. Most of them were annoying, occasionally entertaining, but at least a conservative wouldn't have been a rerun. You just do what you do in every class: write papers that agree with their views to get an A and then move on. :p

In college it is ok as you have the ability to sign up for another teacher and/or school.

In public school you should not be pushing YOUR views. I don;t care if it was anti-mccain or anti-obama.

Just funny when a liberal does this all the wingnuts can;t spin fast enough saying he/she should be fired. Yet it happens to a republican and now its Where are his rights!!!
 

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.

If he was a liberal, he would never have been fired..

A liberal in Kansas would not have been hired as a teacher to begin with. Using the bible as a textbook in Biology class FTL.
 

Bowfinger

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I'll just point out that, once again, we have a lot of people accepting his story as substantially accurate. Lacking the other side of the story, that's just as foolish as accepting National Enquirer stories as gospel. We have no idea whether this guy's political views were the main factor in losing his contract, or even whether they were a factor at all. It may also be that he is exploiting the fact that most employers will not comment on personnel issues for privacy reasons, fabricating a story to avoid accountability for his own actions, confident the school will not contradict him. Fox "Attack On Christmas" News ran with it, of course, since it reinforces the persecution complex of so many of its followers.
 

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Now if this guy was a liberal he would sue for emotional stress and such... wonder how much he can collect.

If he was a liberal, he would never have been fired..

A liberal in Kansas would not have been hired as a teacher to begin with. Using the bible as a textbook in Biology class FTL.

Which is why this story makes no sense. I always thought Kansas was the epicenter of conservative nutcases. The guy should be governor.
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I'll just point out that, once again, we have a lot of people accepting his story as substantially accurate. Lacking the other side of the story, that's just as foolish as accepting National Enquirer stories as gospel. We have no idea whether this guy's political views were the main factor in losing his contract, or even whether they were a factor at all. It may also be that he is exploiting the fact that most employers will not comment on personnel issues for privacy reasons, fabricating a story to avoid accountability for his own actions, confident the school will not contradict him. Fox "Attack On Christmas" News ran with it, of course, since it reinforces the persecution complex of so many of its followers.

I chose my quoted piece of the article carefully. I didn't pick from the teacher's side of the story or the news commentary but from the quotes the administration supplied themselves. :)
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: PingSpike
I don't understand why everyone is so against the professors having political views. Throughout college and highschool I was subjected to the political ranting from most history and economic professors taking advantage of their captive audiences. Most of them were annoying, occasionally entertaining, but at least a conservative wouldn't have been a rerun. You just do what you do in every class: write papers that agree with their views to get an A and then move on. :p

In college it is ok as you have the ability to sign up for another teacher and/or school.

In public school you should not be pushing YOUR views. I don;t care if it was anti-mccain or anti-obama.

Just funny when a liberal does this all the wingnuts can;t spin fast enough saying he/she should be fired. Yet it happens to a republican and now its Where are his rights!!!

Well to be fair, Republicans care about their rights, Dems only care about what rights they can take away. ;)

You're so full of shit. How was this teacher "pushing" his views? He didn't want to air the Obama circle jerk in his class. Hmm, I wonder why, because kids won't learn anything from it. It takes away from the learning environment of a school class room.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I'll just point out that, once again, we have a lot of people accepting his story as substantially accurate. Lacking the other side of the story, that's just as foolish as accepting National Enquirer stories as gospel. We have no idea whether this guy's political views were the main factor in losing his contract, or even whether they were a factor at all. It may also be that he is exploiting the fact that most employers will not comment on personnel issues for privacy reasons, fabricating a story to avoid accountability for his own actions, confident the school will not contradict him. Fox "Attack On Christmas" News ran with it, of course, since it reinforces the persecution complex of so many of its followers.

I chose my quoted piece of the article carefully. I didn't pick from the teacher's side of the story or the news commentary but from the quotes the administration supplied themselves. :)
Yes you did. Pity others weren't so objective.
 

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
I don't understand why everyone is so against the professors having political views. Throughout college and highschool I was subjected to the political ranting from most history and economic professors taking advantage of their captive audiences. Most of them were annoying, occasionally entertaining, but at least a conservative wouldn't have been a rerun. You just do what you do in every class: write papers that agree with their views to get an A and then move on. :p

Those are really the only classes where it should come up. However, all professors and teachers should present all information from a neutral view. The classroom is no place for political grandstanding.

On occasion some of my older students (7th and 8th grade) will bring up a political topic; this is in computer lab. I ask that they don't discuss it or save it for social studies. I do this regardless of whether the criticism is directed towards Bush, Obama, or any other political figure / party.