Kalifornia Court to decide if SeaWorld whales are illegal 'slaves'

[zinfamous]

Suppose you have sex with a dog that is 5 years old. Do you get charged with child molestation? It's a 5 year old ffs.

5x7 = 35.

so that is a middle-aged dog.

maybe the dog would get arrested, though, depending on how old you are?

:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

It would be wonderful if the court decided, "no, it's not slavery. AND, I order PETA to pay SeaWorld for all their lawyer expenses in this case."

that would be nice, though I'd rather see a decision that both tells PETA to go fuck off, and puts SeaWorld out of business.

 

[halik]

#LOLKalifornia

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Suppose you have sex with a dog that is 5 years old. Do you get charged with child molestation? It's a 5 year old ffs.

Wait till she hits 16 and have a set of tits. They do look more fuckable then.

 

[waggy]

hmm it would be interesting if they win. life as we know it in the US would change drastically.

the fallout would be amusing but suck

 

[shortylickens]

And yet California is perfectly happy with human illegal slaves.
:hmm:

 

[Nintendesert]

Depending on the ruling this could be scary for every pet owner, zoo, wild life park etc. and even scarier for the scientific and preservation community. Some animals only exist in zoos due to their habitat being destroyed. How many kids decide to become oceanographers or whatever based on the animals they see at SeaWorld and the zoos?

Such a weird mentality the people of PETA and a certain someone in this thread have.

 

[Miramonti]

Didn't Justice Roger B. Taney of the Supreme Court already rule on this?

The words "people of the United States" and "citizens" are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe the political body who ... form the sovereignty, and who hold the power and conduct the Government through their representatives.... The question before us is, whether the class of persons described in the plea in abatement [species of Delphinidae ancestry] compose a portion of this species, and are constituent members of this sovereignty? We think they are not, and that they are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word "citizens" in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate and inferior class of species, who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all species are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

The general words above quoted would seem to embrace the whole species, and if they were used in a similar instrument at this day would be so understood. But it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved Orca were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration; for if the language, as understood in that day, would embrace them, the conduct of the distinguished men who framed the Declaration of Independence would have been utterly and flagrantly inconsistent with the principles they asserted; and instead of the sympathy of species, to which they so confidently appeared, they would have deserved and received universal rebuke and reprobation.


Yet the men who framed this declaration were great men -- high in literary acquirements -- high in their sense of honor, and incapable of asserting principles inconsistent with those on which they were acting. They perfectly understood the meaning of the language they used, and how it would be understood by others; and they knew that it would not in any part of the civilized world be supposed to embrace the Orca race, which, by common consent, had been excluded from civilized Governments and the family of nations, and doomed to slavery. They spoke and acted according to the then established doctrines and principles, and in the ordinary language of the day, no one misunderstood them. The unhappy Orca race were separate from white by indelible marks, and laws long before established, and were never thought of or spoken of except as property, and when the claims of the owner or the profit of the trader were supposed to need protection.


This state of public opinion had undergone no change when the Constitution was adopted, as is equally evident from its provisions and language....

 

[zinfamous]

And yet California is perfectly happy with human illegal slaves.
:hmm:

Shush, you! those slaves provide your strawberries!

:hmm:

(also, Florida tends to be worse in this regard)

 

[Fritzo]

An orca at Sea World once talked to me. He said his name was "Willzyx", he lived on the moon, and he wanted to go home. Nobody would help me, so I attempted to contact the Mexicano Aeronáutica y Spacial Administración (MASA), but I haven't heard back.

 

[Herr Kutz]

If corporations, fictional entities, can be persons under the law, why not orcas?

Do orcas pay taxes?

 

[IronWing]

Do orcas pay taxes?

They have to pay school tax on their food.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.

 

[Wreckem]

Puts on admistrative law hat:

Involuntary servitude under statutory law only covers persons. Animals are not considered persons under statutory law or under long established jurisprudence.

Reminds me of Cetacean Community v. Bush which was about standing of animals to sue.

IMHO Person filing suit should be fined and forced to pay Sea Worlds lawyers fees.

 

[Wreckem]

Depending on the ruling this could be scary for every pet owner, zoo, wild life park etc. and even scarier for the scientific and preservation community. Some animals only exist in zoos due to their habitat being destroyed. How many kids decide to become oceanographers or whatever based on the animals they see at SeaWorld and the zoos?

Such a weird mentality the people of PETA and a certain someone in this thread have.

It will be dismissed, and appealed were it wont even be heard/if heard the dismissal will be affirmed. Hopefully the 9th doesn't take it up like they did Cetacean Community. Although while mildly entertaining to read(better than other Admin Law cases atleast), Cetacean Community was a waste of the courts time and money.

 

[IronWing]

Got thrown out.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Orca riot

 

[pcgeek11]

It is just stupid that this kind of crap even makes it to a court.

 

[sleep]

who should we blame?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

who should we blame?

Free Willy's agent

 

[Rubycon]

As usual PETA goes about this completely wrong. This is quite annoying and puts them on the wrong side of the fence. They are like RIAA!

That said, I have strong feelings about parks keeping cetaceans and pinnepeds in captivity.

Places like Sea World are truly a double edged sword. There's a terrific amount of political overtones surrounding each unique case. Unfortunately this presents a smoke screen to the real common denominator surrounding each one.

These are social mammals which (of course) should never be kept in captivity. They've had successful (captive) breeding and one may agree that this makes them more "domesticated" but this cannot be further from the truth.

There's plenty of "behind the scenes" things (most bad - some really bad) that are never told nor leaked to the press, etc. It's simply not possible to maintain an ideal living environment for an orca in a concrete pool. The folks making all the money from these endeavors are quite vocal to protect their investments and assurance of income of course.

I happen to know quite a bit about this being in a prior field of designing and assisting with maintaining the life support systems around the world for various locations.

If it sounds like emotion speaking here then so be it. If you saw what I saw you would feel the same way. I make about 1/3 what I would be making in the other field but at least I'm far happier and to me that's what counts.

 

[shortylickens]

As usual PETA goes about this completely wrong. This is quite annoying and puts them on the wrong side of the fence. They are like RIAA!

In America, you cry like a bitch and get attention.
Later on down the line you worry about who's right and who's wrong.

 

[Train]

PETA must have watched Bee Movie this past weekend.