K8V SE Deluxe with AMD 64 3200+

[Raging Wolf]

Also 512 ram. How fast did you guys get it to run at?

 

[igblack]

hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

 

[Algere]

How fast is relative

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

No offense...but no you didn't. First of all those chips are lucky to do 2.4-2.5 on air. Second, that motherboard has no PCI lock...so basically it sucks at overclocking.

Nice try though.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

your nose just grew an inch.

 

[Algere]

Haha

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: charloscarlies

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

No offense...but no you didn't. First of all those chips are lucky to do 2.4-2.5 on air. Second, that motherboard has no PCI lock...so basically it sucks at overclocking.

Nice try though.

I was gonna say...wtf was that about?

I have the same combo, & there's not a chance in hell you got it that high.
You wouldn't even get close if you had a mobo with an AGP/PCI lock, nevermind without.

 

[igblack]

look i no i got it to that becasue it said it when u got to properties under my computer. it might have been just an error but it said that. since my hard drive is messed up and randomly reboots it been saying weird stuff, but i am sure i got it to 2.79 on air.

 

[n7]

Well, if you were able to get it even close to 2.8 on that board, your hard drive would be very messed up, as would most of your components, since that kind of OC on a non-locked board = very unhealthy.

Before you wreck everything, you may want to drop it back down to stock, as OCing anything more than a small amount will result in instability.

 

[LouPoir]

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

Wowie

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: igblack
look i no i got it to that becasue it said it when u got to properties under my computer. it might have been just an error but it said that. since my hard drive is messed up and randomly reboots it been saying weird stuff, but i am sure i got it to 2.79 on air.

2 inches.

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

Since when has random rebooting and hard drives being "messed up" equate to "running so good"?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: charloscarlies

Originally posted by: igblack
hey man i have the same board and had the same chip dont u love the combination and the overclocking ability??? i got mine to 2.8 on air cooling. (7 fans in the case) it ran so good i have 1 gig of corsair xmspc3200 which helped alot.

No offense...but no you didn't. First of all those chips are lucky to do 2.4-2.5 on air. Second, that motherboard has no PCI lock...so basically it sucks at overclocking.

Nice try though.

LOL


Anyway I got mine up to 215 HTT aka FSB before corruption started... I ebayed it.

 

[Lithan]

Board has a 1/7 and 1/8 divider if I remember right. So that overclock on his board is possible. It would have to be a very very good chip to do that stably on air. But screenshots at 2800mhz on air with a 3200+ newcastle are no problem.

 

[Zebo]

The V board has no locks. 25% OC of PCI bus is very doubtful.

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The V board has no locks. 25% OC of PCI bus is very doubtful.

 

[Lithan]

You don't need a lock to overclock without pushing your pci bus out of spec.


200/6=33.3
233/7=33.3
266/8=33.3

2800/11= ~255
255/7= ~36

His PCI bus would be at 36mhz. Perfectly fine under most circumstances.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Lithan
You don't need a lock to overclock without pushing your pci bus out of spec.


200/6=33.3
233/7=33.3
266/8=33.3

2800/11= ~255
255/7= ~36

His PCI bus would be at 36mhz. Perfectly fine under most circumstances.

Hmm...okay i am gonna sound stupid, but i've never quite understood how those locks are there if there's no lock???
Is it just if you move up your FSB by 33.3 increments?
If there a dumbie's guide for OCing a mobo w/o a lock?

 

[Lithan]

Depends on the board.

Back in the early socket A days.

Kt266 boards had up to 1/4 divider. Which meant they could run 133 FSB without overclocking the PCI devices at all. But at 120mhz, You'd still be using the 1/3 divider and running at 40mhz... Which was usually pretty bad.

Kt333 boards had up to the 1/5 divider which meant you could run 166FSB alright. I had an asus board that kicked the 1/5 divider in at ~150mhz. That meant at 149FSB I was running 37mhz PCI. But at 150mhz I was on the 1/5th and running 30mhz pci.

And so forth. I KNOW that k8v se deluxe has 1/7 divider, and I've been told it has 1/8 also. But it's dividers kick in at EXACTLY 200/233/266. This means that running at 232mhz FSB, your pci is way out of spec, but at 233mhz you are back in spec. Also, I believe you booted with a divider and it stuck... so using clockgen to go from 200mhz to 233mhz would give you 38mhz pci, but booting at 233mhz gave you 33mhz pci.

So basically, running a 255mhz FSB on the k8v se deluxe is possible.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Depends on the board.

Back in the early socket A days.

Kt266 boards had up to 1/4 divider. Which meant they could run 133 FSB without overclocking the PCI devices at all. But at 120mhz, You'd still be using the 1/3 divider and running at 40mhz... Which was usually pretty bad.

Kt333 boards had up to the 1/5 divider which meant you could run 166FSB alright. I had an asus board that kicked the 1/5 divider in at ~150mhz. That meant at 149FSB I was running 37mhz PCI. But at 150mhz I was on the 1/5th and running 30mhz pci.

And so forth. I KNOW that k8v se deluxe has 1/7 divider, and I've been told it has 1/8 also. But it's dividers kick in at EXACTLY 200/233/266. This means that running at 232mhz FSB, your pci is way out of spec, but at 233mhz you are back in spec. Also, I believe you booted with a divider and it stuck... so using clockgen to go from 200mhz to 233mhz would give you 38mhz pci, but booting at 233mhz gave you 33mhz pci.

So basically, running a 255mhz FSB on the k8v se deluxe is possible.

Post proof and what about AGP? Here's mine...not to mention I actually had four of these boards.

http://www.hardocp.com/articleprint.html?article_id=536

Overclocking

With such a wonderful assortment of BIOS options at my disposal, I figured that overclocking this board would be a piece of cake. That was my first and last error with the board. I was able to get the board running and booting in to WndowsXP at an FSB of 230 MHz, but the system was not stable at all. Furthermore, I was forced to use extremely relaxed memory timings (memory set to use SPD settings) with my PC4000 memory to get the system to boot at that speed. The system would not stabilize even at a minimal overclock of 210 MHz, no matter what the voltage or RAM timing settings were. There seems to be something amiss with the K8V Deluxe in this area, which may stem from a possible shortcoming of the K8T800 chipset itself. Similar to other K8T800 based boards, the K8V Deluxe?s BIOS contains no options for setting/fixing the AGP or PCI bus speeds. VIA may be up to their old multiplier tricks with those buses, which would account for the overclocking roadblocks run in to. Here?s some information concerning the 230 MHz overclock:




Since testing, VIA has been kind enough to give us some facts that surround OCing their K8T800 chipset. The AGP, CPU and HyperTransport busses are locked, or rather figured in direct relationship to one another. The CPU/HT bus is 3X the AGP bus. Example:

AGP (66.3MHz) X 3 = CPU/HT(200MHz)

Keep in mind that the HT can be run at 1X, 2X, 3X, or 4X of the CPU bus.

So, every MHz you raise the CPU bus by, it raises the AGP bus by 1/3MHz. So:

210MHz CPU bus = 70MHz AGP busThe PCI bus is totally independent of all of this and is fixed at 33MHz.

Obviously this is going to hinder OCing with any video card that has a sensitive AGP bus rate, like many of the newer cards do now days. VIA did explain that they were working on this. It is worth mentioning that the nForce3 chipset does not have this issue. But there is also another side to this as well. From the very limited amount of 754-pin Athlon64 CPUs that we have seen, it does not seem to be much of a difference on the enthusiast front, as they seem to be the limiting OCing factor. We surely hope to see this change.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/200...deluxe/k8vdeluxe-8.htm

In terms of overclocking, we managed to bring the CPU up to 222MHz FSB at default voltage, DDR 2.7v at CAS 2.5, 6-3-3 (8-4-4). Although we can POST at 225Mhz, it hung in Quake 3 test and remained unstable at that speed. One thing we note is that the board does not seem to support FIX PCI/AGP=33/66. MAXMEMCLK setting is available on most K8T800 boards which allows MEM to run ASYNC to CPU FSB but it doesn't seem to help in overclocking by a lot when setting it to operate in async mode. We also find that the voltage ranges are quite restrictive and it could be expanded.

http://www.a1-electronics.net/...S_K8V-Deluxe_pg2.shtml

You should have no trouble overclocking the ASUS K8V-Deluxe motherboard with your AMD Athlon 64 processor up to 215MHz and be rock solid, but higher than that and things start getting a little fussy.

http://www.hexus.net/content/r...JsX3Jldmlld19JRD02NzQ=

Overclocking on K8T800 isn't the satisfying foray into free performance that it should be. Not locking the primary PCI bus and AGP clocks is the main reason why, along with a limited set of multiplier adjustments on many boards.

You can drop multiplier and go for high driven clock speed and a decent memory clock, but PCI and AGP stop you from going much past 225MHz. Then you can't increase CPU clock by multiplier, since you can't go above the boot multiplier, 10x on Model 3200+ and Model 3000+. Expensive Model 3400+ when that appears wont make things much more attractive really.

Be thankful that performance is so excellent at and around 2 to 2.2GHz, the reasonable upper limit on most K8T800 boards just now. The Model 3200+ CPUs themselves seem capable of ~2.4GHz with a bit of voltage, but you need locked AGP realistically, even if you do hang your disk drives off a controller that happens to be on the locked secondary bus.

I managed 225MHz on both K8V samples before PCI speed would corrupt the bootloader on the 8237 attached Raptor disk and an OS reinstall was needed. 2250MHz and overclocked graphics card was enough for nearly 24000 3DMarks, pretty impressive.

Boards need to lock AGP and all PCI busses before things get much better. The memory controller on the CPU seems happy to run at increased frequency when everything else permits. We hope for a friendlier next generation of boards.

 

[Lithan]

Agp is always 2x pci in systems where pci can't be locked.

I've used the board. I know for a fact it has a 1/7 divider. I really could care less whether you believe me or not.


Now let's all be friendly and go look at the board. Look between the 1st and 2nd pci slots. Tell us what you see.

 

[Zebo]

Did'nt say I did'nt believe you I want to see proof of this Overclcok that's all..just like other thread. However this one is even more suspect since no one I have ever heard of including my four samples could anywhere near the FSB speeds he's talking....not to mention CPU speed.

I know what it says:
CPU FSB AGP PCI
200 66 33
210 70 35
233 66 33
266 66 33
300 75 37.5

I also Know this does'nt work as advertised.

 

[n7]

Well shit...now i'm really tempted to see what happens if i boot up at 233...ugh i will have to run 5:3 though since my RAM sucks...

Hmm, well hopefully i don't fvck anything up here as now i'm really curious.

 

[Zebo]

And sorry If I came off unfriendly...hanging here too long will do that to a person... Sometime I have to point you to my lifecycle of a forum post.

n7 go to it/ Just run async ram...set mem to 166.

 

[n7]

Well i tried it, & it wouldn't even post.

I'd have to bump up the voltage a lot i think, & i decided it'd be too foolish anyway, especially since it's being cooled on air, & not a great heatsink either.

Maybe when the comp is less valuable to me i will screw around with it...but presently it's just not worth messing anything up to me.