K8-L and Conroe

[FFG]

I heard K8-L will be hell of a processor.Quad core,L3,DDR3,all that and more.
But when will the K8-L will be on the market?Is it worth waiting for it or i should pick a conroe in july?
Please give me your opinions and comments what K8-L will be like.
Thanks.

 

[Vee]

(Sigh) Just pick the one best suited for your needs that is available when you intend to upgrade. There may well be a nice selection of Conroes and MBs available in August-October.
It is quite possible that *waiting for K8L* means waiting for more than a year. Maybe even likely. It's also likely that you'll see quad-core CPUs from AMD before K8L.

AMDs L3 cache technology is mainly intended for 8p to 32p systems. Like 2 quadcore CPUs or 8 quadcore CPUs.

DDR3? The standard isn't even settled yet. There is no way to know when DDR3 becomes widely available at acceptable cost. *Waiting for DDR3* is IMO as silly as *waiting for* DDR2, SATA or BTX ever was. At least as of today.

Main user advantages of the K8L is going to be the full width SIMD execution, quite ramped clocks and an improved IPC. Full width SIMD is going to take a big step at closing the distance to the Conroe in some applications. Whether other tweaks improve instructions per clock enough, together with integrated memory controller and increased clocks, to make it a tough competitor for Conroe, is a question there is no answer for today. My guess though, is that AMD will look very good on quad-cores.

 

[F1shF4t]

all these people.... no wait till ur 70 years old for K45 as it will be awesome....
Just get what the best now (or when conroe is released), time is money, when the next thing comes out sure it will be faster, but ur comp wont be slow anytime soon even with the new stuff out.

U will never have the best thing for ever, get whats good now and be happy with it.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

i hate the type of post like the 2 above.
[rant]
get whjat you need. when you need it. blah blah blah[/rant]
the guy/girl asked for advice. and its not in the above post.


to the OP conroe look awesome but i doubt your gonna get it in summer. wait a while and GET conroe. it'll be freaking awesome. and overclockble as hell. k8L imo is not worth waiting for since you don't know how good it is AND don't know when. besides its intells turn to shine. also the cheapest conroe will 165. get that and OC it to match the fx-60

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i hate the type of post like the 2 above.
[rant]
get whjat you need. when you need it. blah blah blah[/rant]
the guy/girl asked for advice. and its not in the above post.


to the OP conroe look awesome but i doubt your gonna get it in summer. wait a while and GET conroe. it'll be freaking awesome. and overclockble as hell. k8L imo is not worth waiting for since you don't know how good it is AND don't know when. besides its intells turn to shine. also the cheapest conroe will 165. get that and OC it to match the fx-60

If u didnt get the meaning of my post i'll spell it out.

"Get what u can now or little wait" X2 or Conroe pick one.
There wil be always something new coming, and u can continue waiting forever.
It looks like conroe is coming really soon so it might be worth waiting depending on ur situation and if u can wait.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

The way I look at with respect to the 2 previous posts, don't get the latest because todays upper chips will be tomorrows lower sale items. This probably excludes the extreme and FX series as they are always high. Pick up a 939 3700, 4400X2 or 830/840 today and oc the sillycon out of it. Used the saved cash to get a high end gfx card and top end memory. Next year or in 08 enjoy the spoils of the next super chip battles.

 

[FFG]

Yeah you're right.I just wanted to know more about K8L becouse it sounded impressive with 4 cores and all that new techs.
I will go for Conroe now.My reason to worry is that i build wc system with conroe now and switching to fast to amd building completely another costs money.
I'll get conroe,7900Gt evga,2gb ocz ddr2 667 (the new series) and when the good models of K8-L arrive i'll see how 4 cores are going and buy my next Amd,4Gb,replace 7900GT and board.I just hope the quad core machine wont be such an expensive upgrade as it is now.
I was AMD all the way to now,but the review in Hexus site made me go for Intel.I do agree they overclock better too.
Thanks

 

[FFG]

You read this one? :

0. Native quad core
1. Hypertransport up to 5.2GT/s
2. Better coherency
3. Private L2, shared L3 cache that scales up.
4. Separate power planes and pstates for north bridge and CPU
5. 128b FPUs - see 14,15
6. 48b virtual/physical addressing and 1GB pages
7. Support for DDR2, eventually DDR3
8. Support for FBD1 and 2 eventually
9. I/O virtualization and nested page tables
10. Memory mirroring, data poisoning, HT retry protocol support
11. 32B instead of 16B ifetch
12. Indirect branch predictors
13. OOO load execution - similar to memory disambiguation
14. 2x 128b SSE units
15. 2x 128b SSE LDs/cycle
16. Several new instructions

Coprocessors:
media processing
JVM/CLR acceleration
TOE, XML or SSL processing

That sounds like its going to own a big time.
Let me know what you think

 

[Conroe]

90% Core Clone. That should work!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Conroe
90% Core Clone. That should work!

beware of any new member who makes his name an Intel processor...pure Troll!!!

IE dothan....

 

[Duvie]

As for this topic.....


Dude you are really stretching trying to compare a Conroe versus a K8L for which we have no firm date, no firm data saying the above items will be there, and no preview for which the conroe at least has.....

Get the best you can afford at the time...Conroe is an exception since it is so close to release and we have a date...otherwise like was stated above wait for 5 years and get a 16 core .05 micron chip with SSE8, 4 integrated memory controllers running at PC16000....you will always find another reason to wait for the next big thing around the corner....

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: FFG
You read this one? :

0. Native quad core
1. Hypertransport up to 5.2GT/s
2. Better coherency
3. Private L2, shared L3 cache that scales up.
4. Separate power planes and pstates for north bridge and CPU
5. 128b FPUs - see 14,15
6. 48b virtual/physical addressing and 1GB pages
7. Support for DDR2, eventually DDR3
8. Support for FBD1 and 2 eventually
9. I/O virtualization and nested page tables
10. Memory mirroring, data poisoning, HT retry protocol support
11. 32B instead of 16B ifetch
12. Indirect branch predictors
13. OOO load execution - similar to memory disambiguation
14. 2x 128b SSE units
15. 2x 128b SSE LDs/cycle
16. Several new instructions

Coprocessors:
media processing
JVM/CLR acceleration
TOE, XML or SSL processing

That sounds like its going to own a big time.
Let me know what you think

And it's also reported by Dailytech to not be here until the beginning of 2008.
It would be silly to wait off on building a rig for what could be over a year.

 

[lsman]

get the .... Conroe-L.

coming to you 2007 2Q.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Duvie
As for this topic.....


Dude you are really stretching trying to compare a Conroe versus a K8L for which we have no firm date, no firm data saying the above items will be there, and no preview for which the conroe at least has.....

Get the best you can afford at the time...Conroe is an exception since it is so close to release and we have a date...otherwise like was stated above wait for 5 years and get a 16 core .05 micron chip with SSE8, 4 integrated memory controllers running at PC16000....you will always find another reason to wait for the next big thing around the corner....

QFT!

 

[FFG]

Yea,you're all right.Just when i see better thing that i already have or will buy i am already thinking for next upgrade,like Conroe is old already.
But its just me and i'll make upgrade list/3months

Thanks a lot

 

[Regs]

Switch platforms is a lot harder for me to compensate than a new video card or even motherboard. Though how can I ignore the numbers that conroe is putting up is impossible. Its really sad AMD is going to be a year or more behind since it looks like the new generation of game engines are coming out in late 2006 or 2007.

 

[Tenfold]

Will Conroe CPU's be available in August for those of us heading off to school at the end of the month? Or am I just hoping for something that will never happen. It seems to me that Intel would want to cash in on the back to school rush, I just hope that Conroe processors are available sometime in august to have a working build done before school.

Thoughts?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Tenfold
Will Conroe CPU's be available in August for those of us heading off to school at the end of the month? Or am I just hoping for something that will never happen. It seems to me that Intel would want to cash in on the back to school rush, I just hope that Conroe processors are available sometime in august to have a working build done before school.

Well, i've heard dates of July 23 for Conroe. Who knows though. With all the hype of Conroe, i would be surprise if there isn't a supply issue.

 

[thestain]

Word is.. that AMD was about a year ahead of of schedule in testing and new products compared to manufacturing.. holding off.. so.. announcement this week could literally be anything.

 

[Marmion]

Opening up a can of worms:
When K8L comes out, Q2 07 or whenever, Intel will be very close to bringing out their 45nm process, plus they'll be bringing out their quad core desktop parts on the 1333Mhz FSB (reason for bearlake or whatever chipset it is). When AMD goes 45nm, Intel will be very close to releasing nehlam or whatever the code-name is (the next NGMA, Core 3) because of them saying "we're bringing out a new archetecture every 2 years" (of course, that would be subject to AMD's competitiveness).
So you see what I'm getting at, just like everyone else. There will always be a newer and better CPU coming around the corner, just choose the corner that you want to upgrade at (ie, buy when you need it, don't wait).
In my case, I've chosen I will upgrade at the Conroe corner in ~ 3 months time.

 

[FFG]

July comes and i'm still confused what to get.
Do you know if 4x4 and K8L will be using the same AM2 board?AM2 sounds more future-proof.
Or i should go for Conroe now?

When amd exposes its new cpu's switching from Intel to Amd will be expensive so what do you think?
For now i'm leaning to Conroe becouse its going to be the best cpu out there for some time but what after,still keeping up with Intel?

I will really appreciate your help!

Thanks in advance!

 

[dmens]

Word is.. that AMD was about a year ahead of of schedule in testing and new products compared to manufacturing.. holding off.. so.. announcement this week could literally be anything.

LOL WTF?!?

to the op: get a nehalem.

 

[evenmore1]

Which one would I get? Um....

The cheaper one

Or neither: cheap 805 or X2 939/AM2. yay!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Conroe
90% Core Clone. That should work!

QFT!

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: FFG
You read this one? :

0. Native quad core
1. Hypertransport up to 5.2GT/s
2. Better coherency
3. Private L2, shared L3 cache that scales up.
4. Separate power planes and pstates for north bridge and CPU
5. 128b FPUs - see 14,15
6. 48b virtual/physical addressing and 1GB pages
7. Support for DDR2, eventually DDR3
8. Support for FBD1 and 2 eventually
9. I/O virtualization and nested page tables
10. Memory mirroring, data poisoning, HT retry protocol support
11. 32B instead of 16B ifetch
12. Indirect branch predictors
13. OOO load execution - similar to memory disambiguation
14. 2x 128b SSE units
15. 2x 128b SSE LDs/cycle
16. Several new instructions

Coprocessors:
media processing
JVM/CLR acceleration
TOE, XML or SSL processing

That sounds like its going to own a big time.
Let me know what you think

And it's also reported by Dailytech to not be here until the beginning of 2008.
It would be silly to wait off on building a rig for what could be over a year.

Nothing has been officially reported because nothing official exists. As posted earlier, the best guess anyone has is, dual core K8L early 2007 and quad core K8L around the 2008 mark. And that is still just guesstimates.