"JV Team"

CZroe

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In light of recent activities I believe that this characterization needs to be revisited and discussed anew.

What terrorist organization has been more successful in recent years to consider these guys "JV Team?" When was the last time Al Qaida blew up a jet plane? If these guys are "JV" while being more successful than the acknowledged pros, when do we redefine/reverse their roles?
 
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feralkid

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No thanks; let's not have another boring 50 page thread where you argue semantics.
 

CZroe

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^^^This its irrelevant what Obama called them at some point in history.


"Some point in history?" That "point" was while campaigning for his current term. The term where his characterization of them was important/relevant. The "point" the question was relevant to is and always has been RIGHT NOW (his future second term). People wanted to know how he felt about such threats and he told us while pretending that extremism was a problem he had dealt with.

To his credit, he started back pedaling almost immediately, but not by admitting that he was wrong:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../what-obama-said-about-islamic-state-jv-team/
 
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"Some point in history?" That "point" was while campaigning for his current term. The term where his characterization of them was important/relevant. The "point" the question was relevant to is and always has been RIGHT NOW (his future second term). People wanted to know how he felt about such threats and he told us while pretending that extremism was a problem he had dealt with.

To his credit, he started back pedaling almost immediately, but not by admitting that he was wrong:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../what-obama-said-about-islamic-state-jv-team/

Meh not important to me, I supported Obama simple to stop meddling around in the ME, fracking has made up oil independent we should enjoy this. If France wants reasonable help dealing with this that is fine. I am sick and tired of us being 95% of all anti ISIS stuff.
 

Genx87

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This is Obamas Mission Accomplished. Who cares unless you want to get in a zinger.
 

senseamp

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GOP still bitter Obama beat Romney. So it's Benghazi and this shit getting dredged up.
 
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This is Obamas Mission Accomplished. Who cares unless you want to get in a zinger.

Very true and for the record Bushes "Mission Accomplished" statement was just a silly thing to say & have a banner for but I don't think it was a scandalous statement.
 

senseamp

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Very true and for the record Bushes "Mission Accomplished" statement was just a silly thing to say & have a banner for but I don't think it was a scandalous statement.

How many Americans died in Iraq since Bush's "Mission Accomplished" and Obama's "JV Team?"
 

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The cure for ridding the world of radical Islam is to send every Muslim from the Middle
East back to the Middle East and to cut off all their digital communications to the civilized world. Islam is NOT compatible with the Western World.
 

senseamp

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figures.

Obama says stuff that makes him look like an idiot - not important to the left.

A republican does the same - most important stuff ever.

Because thousands of Americans died in Iraq after Bush said that. But let's ignore that.
 

zinfamous

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"ISIS" certainly has capabilities, in attaching their name to things. But I find it hard to take the majority of these actions as some metric of ISIS's capability.

All you need to do is claim you are ISIS, that you are doing this for ISIS...and it suddenly becomes something that ISIS did? ISIS just needs to claim it, and now it is ISIS?

I don't buy it. It's pretty much like Anonymous. It can be anything and come from anywhere, you only need to claim it. That, however, makes it all the more frightening, but it doesn't really speak to a highly-capable and thoroughly organized organization in the manner of Al Qaeda.
 
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To be fair, this is NOTHING like Bush's "Mission Accomplished" production. That was a planned, precision, calculated performance for the sake of PR/propaganda.

If anything, Obama's comment is more analogous to Bush's off the cuff "Bring 'em on" comment; poorly thought out but more excusable in its lack of rehearsal and split second quip.
 

zinfamous

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To be fair, this is NOTHING like Bush's "Mission Accomplished" production. That was a planned, precision, calculated performance for the sake of PR/propaganda.

If anything, Obama's comment is more analogous to Bush's off the cuff "Bring 'em on" comment; poorly thought out but more excusable in its lack of rehearsal and split second quip.

fair point. Maybe if Obama flew onto an air-borne hellicarrier using the Batwing to match.

appearing on the deck of a carrier in a flightsuit certainly isn't off the cuff.
 

Jaskalas

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GOP still bitter Obama beat Romney. So it's Benghazi and this shit getting dredged up.

A JV President who leads terrorism into Libya.
Who arms them in Syria.
Who sits by while they take half of Iraq.
Who complains when Russia moves in to attack the terrorists.

Obama may be JV for us, but he has been a miracle worker for ISIS.
No one could have foreseen an American President providing them so much aid and comfort.
He only barely does enough to stop us from revolting and kicking his ass out so a real leader can stand up and do the job.
 
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Indus

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A JV President who leads terrorism into Libya.
Who arms them in Syria.
Who sits by while they take half of Iraq.
Who complains when Russia moves in to attack the terrorists.

Obama may be JV for us, but he has been a miracle worker for ISIS.
No one could have foreseen an American President providing them so much aid and comfort.
He only barely does enough to stop us from revolting and kicking his ass out so a real leader can stand up and do the job.

Every President has been JV since FDR..

Lets see Truman and Eisenhower fucked up Korea.
Kennedy fucked up in Cuba.
LBJ/ Nixon/ Ford fucked up in Vietnam.
Carter fucked up Iran.
Reagan fucked with the Iran Contra and giving arms to terrorists.
Bush 41 fucked up with a recession.
Clinton fucked up because he was too concerned with Saudi Princes over killing Bin Laden.
Bush 43 fucked up the economy and the middle east.

Hits home doesn't it.

We really should clone FDR to have a real president again with your logic.
 
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senseamp

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A JV President who leads terrorism into Libya.
Who arms them in Syria.
Who sits by while they take half of Iraq.
Who complains when Russia moves in to attack the terrorists.

Obama may be JV for us, but he has been a miracle worker for ISIS.
No one could have foreseen an American President providing them so much aid and comfort.
He only barely does enough to stop us from revolting and kicking his ass out so a real leader can stand up and do the job.

You'd rather Americans still be dying by the thousands in Iraq?
 

kage69

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A JV President who leads terrorism into Libya.
Who arms them in Syria.
Who sits by while they take half of Iraq.
Who complains when Russia moves in to attack the terrorists.

Obama may be JV for us, but he has been a miracle worker for ISIS.
No one could have foreseen an American President providing them so much aid and comfort.
He only barely does enough to stop us from revolting and kicking his ass out so a real leader can stand up and do the job.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. While you post some strange things from time to time, and for awhile seemed to have some kind of civil war fixation, I was under the impression you weren't this indoctrinated and ignorant.

I'm not sure what's more amusing here though; the notion that banana republicans have ANY credibility left on foreign policy, or someone trying to sound informed by starting off with "Obama brought terrorism to Libya" :biggrin:

A steamer like that makes me immediately think this is all sarcasm, no one can be that clueless about the 80s, right?
 
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How many Americans died in Iraq since Bush's "Mission Accomplished" and Obama's "JV Team?"

Not relevant to this discussion but yes many died

Very true and for the record Bushes "Mission Accomplished" statement was just a silly thing to say & have a banner for but I don't think it was a scandalous statement.

figures.

Obama says stuff that makes him look like an idiot - not important to the left.

A republican does the same - most important stuff ever.

Micheal read the above what I stated, get your mind out of defensive mode. The left isn't on a witch hunt for guys like you.
 

Jaskalas

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or someone trying to sound informed by starting off with "Obama brought terrorism to Libya" :biggrin:

A steamer like that makes me immediately think this is all sarcasm, no one can be that clueless about the 80s, right?

Clinton pushed for Libyan war.
New Hillary Clinton Emails Show She Wanted Credit for Libya Intervention in 2011.
But the responsibility stops with "JV" Obama for pursuing the Neocon agenda.

What do you think the result of a power vacuum is? Anarchy and Terrorism.
Bush brought that to Iraq. Clinton / Obama brought that to Libya and fought to do the same in Syria.
 
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umbrella39

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In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. -- W, May 1, 2003
 

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Not relevant to this discussion but yes many died





Micheal read the above what I stated, get your mind out of defensive mode. The left isn't on a witch hunt for guys like you.

I quoted what you said in my post.

Do you read the lefts posts here? Do you ever challenge them when they blame the right for everything?

Or do your panties only when someone that thinks differently then you?
 

Thebobo

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How about "Mission Accomplished"

Mission-Accomplished.jpg
 

CZroe

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How about "Mission Accomplished"

Mission-Accomplished.jpg


Gee. You're, like, one of the only people to bring that up. :rolleyes:

That was not a "we're done here. let's pack up and leave" statement. That was a "we don't have Saddam's head on a stick but he's damned sure deposed. For troop morale we need to make it clear that we are no longer fighting him" statement. I don't see where it had anything to do with packing up to go home and refusing to stay behind to deal with the consequences or acknowledge the ongoing threat. If it had any bearing on their decision to downplay the threat and leave too few, they fully back-pedaled when they admitted that a troop surge was necessary. Will Obama admit that he was wrong?

Obama's still hesitating to cross the "boots on the ground" line and admit he underestimated ISIS/ISIL and the effects of the drawdown (losing Falluja is what prompted the statement). At the time he was clearly concerned with downplaying their threat to the USA in his future term while tooting his horn about his success with the better-known terrorists (Al Qaeda) and justifying the draw-down.

...but go on laughing like it's the same thing.
 
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