Justices relying too heavily on Amicus briefs that "wouldn't pass in High School

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Oldgamer

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Supremes Rely On Facts That 'Wouldn't Pass Muster In A High School Paper

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court received more than 80 friend-of-the-court briefs in the Hobby Lobby case. Most of these filings, also called amicus briefs, were dull and repetitive recitations of familiar legal arguments.

Others stood out. They presented fresh, factual information that put the case in a broader context.

The justices are hungry for such data. Their opinions are increasingly studded with citations of facts they learned from amicus briefs.

But this is a perilous trend, said Allison Orr Larsen, a law professor at the College of William and Mary.

“The court is inundated with 11th-hour, untested, advocacy-motivated claims of factual expertise,” she wrote in an article to be published in The Virginia Law Review.

Some of the factual assertions in recent amicus briefs would not pass muster in a high school research paper. But that has not stopped the Supreme Court from relying on them. Recent opinions have cited “facts” from amicus briefs that were backed up by blog posts, emails or nothing at all.

Some amicus briefs are careful and valuable, of course, citing peer-reviewed studies and noting contrary evidence. Others cite more questionable materials.

Some “studies” presented in amicus briefs were paid for or conducted by the group that submitted the brief and published only on the Internet. Some studies seem to have been created for the purpose of influencing the Supreme Court.

Yet the justices are quite receptive to this dodgy data. Over the five terms from 2008 to 2013, the court’s opinions cited factual assertions from amicus briefs 124 times, Professor Larsen found.

The phenomenon is novel. “The U.S. Supreme Court is the only American judicial entity that depends so heavily on amicus briefs to educate itself on factual matters,” Professor Larsen wrote.

The trend is at odds with the ordinary role of appellate courts, which are not supposed to be in the business of determining facts. That is the job of the trial court, where evidence is submitted, sifted and subjected to the adversary process.

Appellate courts traditionally take those facts, fixed in the trial court record, as a given. Their job is to identify and apply legal principles to those facts.


Justice Antonin Scalia made this point in a 2011 dissent chastising the majority for its blithe acceptance of “government-funded studies” that “did not make an appearance in this litigation until the government’s merits brief to this court.”

But “Supreme Court briefs are an inappropriate place to develop the key facts in a case,” Justice Scalia wrote. “An adversarial process in the trial courts can identify flaws in the methodology of the studies that the parties put forward; here, we accept the studies’ findings on faith, without examining their methodology at all.”

The net result, he said, is “untested judicial fact-finding masquerading as statutory interpretation.”

At least the studies that Justice Scalia complained about were submitted by a party to the case and thus were likely to be closely examined by the other side.

Most of the information from the amicus briefs recently cited by the justices was not subjected to even that level of adversary scrutiny. Only 28 percent of the cited materials drew a response from one of the parties in the case.

In the Hobby Lobby case, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. pushed back against the recent trend, refusing to consider “an intensely empirical argument” in an amicus brief. “We do not generally entertain arguments that were not raised below and are not advanced in this court by any party,” he wrote.

Not so, Professor Larsen wrote in a recent blog post. “This descriptive statement by Justice Alito about Supreme Court practice is simply incorrect,” she wrote.

Consider these examples.

In a 2011 decision about the privacy rights of scientists who worked on government space programs, Justice Alito cited an amicus brief to show that more than 88 percent of American companies perform background checks on their workers.

“Where this number comes from is a mystery,” Professor Larsen wrote. “It is asserted in the brief without citation.”

In a 2012 decision allowing strip searches of people arrested for even minor offenses as they are admitted to jail, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy cited an amicus brief to show that there are an “increasing number of gang members” entering the nation’s prisons and jails. The brief itself did little more than assert that “there is no doubt” this was so.

And in a 2013 decision, Justice Stephen G. Breyer cited an amicus brief to establish that American libraries hold 200 million books that were published abroad, a point of some significance in the copyright dispute before the court. The figure in the brief came from a blog post. The blog has been discontinued.

In an interview, Professor Larsen said she was struck by how often justices cited the amicus briefs themselves as sources of authority, as opposed to the materials collected in the briefs. “It really makes you wonder how much digging the justices are doing,” she said.

Kannon K. Shanmugam, a lawyer with Williams & Connolly who argues frequently before the court, said the justices’ quandary was a common one.

“The Supreme Court has the same problem that the rest of us do: figuring out how to distinguish between real facts and Internet facts,” he said. “Amicus briefs from unreliable sources can contribute to that problem.”

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This tells me they are definitely bought and paid for Judges then. Somebody had them in their pocket and they aren't doing what they are supposed to do and in the interests of America but for the Corporations and those who can pay them. This is seriously flawed and really is proof that we no longer can trust our Courts, especially the Supreme Court.

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glenn1

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Better than inventing "facts" out of the air such as pretending the right to privacy is in the Constitution. A true fact is that both sides are not above cutting corners when it supports their preferred end result.
 

D-Man

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But with the ACA their decision was spot on for some, with Hobby Lobby they were scary old men for some.
 

PokerGuy

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I can see how the supremes can get sucked into taking amicus briefs and just assuming the facts are legit, but I think the court should stick with the methodology that has worked for a long time. Let the trial courts be the place where facts get sorted out and vetted, and let the appeals courts/scotus be the place where matters of application of law are determined. Taking 'facts' that are not vetted through the adversary process is not smart.
 

nehalem256

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Better than inventing "facts" out of the air such as pretending the right to privacy is in the Constitution. A true fact is that both sides are not above cutting corners when it supports their preferred end result.

Or how about Sotomayor writing a dissent that only made sense if Asian people don't exist. :\
 

nehalem256

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And in a 2013 decision, Justice Stephen G. Breyer cited an amicus brief to establish that American libraries hold 200 million books that were published abroad, a point of some significance in the copyright dispute before the court. The figure in the brief came from a blog post. The blog has been discontinued.

Note that the article says the blog has been discontinued. Not that the blog was wrong.

So either the article is guilty of essentially the same thing it is accusing the SCOTUS of and failing to dig for actual facts. Or the blog was actually correct and the article is trying to be deliberately misleading.
 

thraashman

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I can see how the supremes can get sucked into taking amicus briefs and just assuming the facts are legit, but I think the court should stick with the methodology that has worked for a long time. Let the trial courts be the place where facts get sorted out and vetted, and let the appeals courts/scotus be the place where matters of application of law are determined. Taking 'facts' that are not vetted through the adversary process is not smart.

Um ... wow. Holy shit I agree with PokerGuy about something.
 

IronWing

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I've been reading old case law as part of a class I'm taking. Some of the amicus briefs are amazingly bad. What surprised me was the source of some of the really bad ones were states' Attorneys General. I understand the AGs had to represent the then current political interests of states but many of the briefs included recitations of flawed legal principles the Supremes had consistently knocked down decades in the past. In many cases the arguments made were in direct contradition to the language of the Constitution and their own state constitutions.
 

glenn1

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I can see how the supremes can get sucked into taking amicus briefs and just assuming the facts are legit, but I think the court should stick with the methodology that has worked for a long time. Let the trial courts be the place where facts get sorted out and vetted, and let the appeals courts/scotus be the place where matters of application of law are determined. Taking 'facts' that are not vetted through the adversary process is not smart.

Where do you draw the line between what's fact and what's the analysis of that fact? Isn't part of the job of SCOTUS to review how facts were applied against the law by lower courts and correct them when they get it wrong?
 

PokerGuy

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Where do you draw the line between what's fact and what's the analysis of that fact?

There is obviously some gray area, but relevant facts to support legal arguments are established at the lower (trial) court level, where the parties can fight about what the facts actually are. The facts are entered into record at that point, and the court essentially finds the facts. The higher courts are there to see if the law was applied correctly, or if the facts were incorrectly established. The higher courts (and certainly the scotus) shouldn't simply accept new "facts" that are unsubstantiated and provided as part of an amicus brief.

Isn't part of the job of SCOTUS to review how facts were applied against the law by lower courts and correct them when they get it wrong?

Absolutely, but that's not what the article was about. The scenario you've identified is one where a fact was entered into record as part of an argument, and the court has applied some law to it or included/excluded it, or defined it somehow etc. Reviewing those decisions falls under review of application of law, and that is perfectly within the purview of the appeals courts.

This article talks about taking "facts" provided in amicus briefs that are not part of the court case, that are not vetted through the normal court process. These are "facts" that could be 100% accurate or complete garbage. There's very little (if any) research done to validate the information provided in amicus briefs. Not that there should be, but if the court is going to accept those "facts" to support a part of the legal argument, it's important that those facts are vetted and verified.
 

piasabird

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I have no good reason to believe facts or studies funded by the government. Politicians are not known for truth telling. The media also is very adept and ignoring facts or news that does not support their ideology.
 

Oldgamer

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I can see how the supremes can get sucked into taking amicus briefs and just assuming the facts are legit, but I think the court should stick with the methodology that has worked for a long time. Let the trial courts be the place where facts get sorted out and vetted, and let the appeals courts/scotus be the place where matters of application of law are determined. Taking 'facts' that are not vetted through the adversary process is not smart.


Yea this is what I find most amazing is this sort of "laziness" on their part to not follow with said proven methodology. But again I still feel this is because both sides are bought and paid for and or pushed to use such "illiterate information" to make bad decisions that will favor either side. I prefer they go back to the tried and true tested way of using "real facts" and avoid relying on Amicus Briefs that are like those online blogs they mention in this article written by the very people who have "skin" in the game for some court ruling. Stick to real scientific facts and utilize the law the way it was intended to be utilized.
 
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Riparian

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Yea this is what I find most amazing is this sort of "laziness" on their part to not follow with said proven methodology. But again I still feel this is because both sides are bought and paid for and or pushed to use such "illiterate information" to make bad decisions that will favor either side. I prefer they go back to the tried and true tested way of using "real facts" and avoid relying on Amicus Briefs that are like those online blogs they mention in this article written by the very people who have "skin" in the game for some court ruling. Stick to real scientific facts and utilize the law the way it was intended to be utilized.

Why would you claim that Supreme Court Justices are bought and paid for? They cannot receive any financial incentives from the various interests and their life tenure on the Court usually means they aren't looking to be employed in those industries after their careers as Justices. If anything, SCOTUS is just ideologically biased due to personal biases. This, however, is hard to avoid as most of the questions that are presented to SCOTUS are very gray and there will always be strong arguments for either side.
 

MrPickins

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A true fact is that both sides are not above cutting corners when it supports their preferred end result.

Yes, which is why this should be a bipartisan issue.

Both sides should put aside their bickering to address this issue which affects us all negatively.
 
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hal2kilo

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Wonder how many on the conservative sde were written by lawyers with degrees from Pat Robertson U?
 
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