Justices, 5-4, Limit Whistleblower Suits

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WASHINGTON, May 30 ? The Supreme Court declared today, in a ruling affecting millions of government employees, that the Constitution does not always protect their free-speech rights for what they say on the job.

In a 5-to-4 decision, the court held that public employees' free-speech rights are protected when they speak out as citizens on matters of public concern, but not when they speak out in the course of their official duties.

Today's ruling, involving a deputy Los Angeles district attorney who contended that he had been denied a promotion for challenging the legitimacy of a search warrant, came in a case that has been closely watched not just by public workers but by those who have worried that it could discourage whistle-blowers from speaking out about government misconduct.

"We hold that when public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens for First Amendment purposes, and the Constitution does not insulate their communications from employer discipline," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the court.

The ruling noted the enormous variety of factual situations involving relationships between public employers and their employees, and it suggested that the particular facts of a case must be closely examined.

In this case, the Los Angeles deputy prosecutor, Richard Ceballos, complained to his bosses in early 2000 that after being alerted by a defense lawyer, he had found "serious misrepresentations" in an affidavit used to obtain a search warrant.

Discussions with his superiors were heated, and a trial court rejected challenges to the warrant. In the aftermath, Mr. Ceballos contended, he was reassigned and denied a promotion. He filed an employee grievance, which was denied based on a finding that he had not suffered any retaliation, despite his claim to the contrary.

Mr. Ceballos took his case to federal district court, which threw it out after accepting his employer's argument that the actions Mr. Ceballos complained about were explainable by legitimate staffing needs. But the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reversed the lower court, concluding that Mr. Ceballos's free-speech rights had indeed been violated.

In reversing the Ninth Circuit today, Justice Kennedy noted that the Supreme Court has made it clear in previous rulings "that public employees do not surrender all their First Amendment rights by reason of their employment." On the other hand, he wrote, "When a citizen enters government service, the citizen by necessity must accept certain limitations on his or her freedom."

The controlling factor in this case, Justice Kennedy wrote, was that Mr. Ceballos was acting purely in an official capacity when he complained internally about the search warrant. "Ceballos wrote his disposition memo because that is part of what he was employed to do," Justice Kennedy wrote. "He did not act as a citizen by writing it."

Joining the majority ruling were Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr.

Dissenting in three separate opinions were Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

"The notion that there is a categorical difference between speaking as a citizen and speaking in the course of one's employment is quite wrong," Justice Stevens wrote.

And Justice Souter asserted that "private and public interests in addressing official wrongdoing and threats to public health and safety can outweigh the government's stake in the efficient implementation of policy, and when they do public employees who speak on these matters in the course of their duties should be eligible to claim First Amendment protection."


It's good to know one can't backstab their employer then come back and file lawsuits so easily. Welcome to the new age of Justices Roberts and Alito and common sense in the nation's judiciary.

We can also tack another case on the lengthy list of 9th circuit mistakes.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: zendari
It's good to know one can't backstab their employer then come back and file lawsuits so easily. Welcome to the new age of Justices Roberts and Alito and common sense in the nation's judiciary.

I bet thats what all of the Nazi, communist, and other governmental/organizational panderers thought when they didn't want their powers usurped, checked, and balanced by the people.

It's nice to know that the government, in all of it's secrecy and guile, now has one less check against it. Soon, we will outlaw any dissent, any possibility of the people finding aggregious abuses of power, in the quest for an ultimate and "safe" "democracy".

 

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Originally posted by: zendari
It's good to know one can't backstab their employer then come back and file lawsuits so easily. Welcome to the new age of Justices Roberts and Alito and common sense in the nation's judiciary.

Welcome to mainland Germany circa 1930.
 

Vic

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The government is now completely above the law.
 

Harvey

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Ah, yes. Once again, zendari shows how much he misses the good old days in the backwater Stalinist dictatorship where he was born.

Since you miss it so much, PLEASE GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM, and leave the U.S. to those of us who love the U.S. Constitution and hate the current administration pricks who are doing their damndest to kill it. :|
 

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It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion, nothing you can do, no protests, letters, anything. You just sit memorized and watch as the pieces fall in place.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
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It's good to know one can't backstab their employer then come back and file lawsuits so easily. Welcome to the new age of Justices Roberts and Alito and common sense in the nation's judiciary.

Every day you bring out new surprises for me to laugh at, this one comes close to topping them all. Common sense, you wouldn't know common sense if it goosestepped up to you and bit your nose.
So, just to be 100% sure of your delusion, you say that noone should ever out their employer if their employer is doing something against the law, nice set of morals you have there zenny.
Monty Burns would be proud.
 

Todd33

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Don't feed the troll, just comment on the case. Ignore the OP and his 14 year old world.
 

BDawg

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So, now you can be fired if your employer is dumping toxic waste into the resevoir and you report it. And, you can't do anything about it?

Yeah, that's a great idea.
 

Starbuck1975

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In a 5-to-4 decision, the court held that public employees' free-speech rights are protected when they speak out as citizens on matters of public concern, but not when they speak out in the course of their official duties.
Did some of you even read the article or the Supreme Court decision...your knee jerk reactions, while invoking imagines of Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany, makes for entertaining drama but not much else.

The decision essentially states that public employees have expectations of conduct when operating in an official capacity, but that they have no free speech limitations when acting as private citizens.

Public employees still have an avenue for whistle blowing as private citizens. This will essentially weed out the disgruntled employee pool, as no employee will risk losing their job for blowing the whistle on something that they do not have concrete evidence to support.

I invite anyone to make a compelling argument as to how this decision changes anything from an accountability perspective...the scope of this challenge is that you CANNOT reference Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia in your response.

So lets take the OP and zendari out of the equation for a moment, and actually debate the SC's decision, shall we?
 
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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
In a 5-to-4 decision, the court held that public employees' free-speech rights are protected when they speak out as citizens on matters of public concern, but not when they speak out in the course of their official duties.
Did some of you even read the article or the Supreme Court decision...your knee jerk reactions, while invoking imagines of Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany, makes for entertaining drama but not much else.

The decision essentially states that public employees have expectations of conduct when operating in an official capacity, but that they have no free speech limitations when acting as private citizens.

Public employees still have an avenue for whistle blowing as private citizens. This will essentially weed out the disgruntled employee pool, as no employee will risk losing their job for blowing the whistle on something that they do not have concrete evidence to support.

I invite anyone to make a compelling argument as to how this decision changes anything from an accountability perspective...the scope of this challenge is that you CANNOT reference Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia in your response.

So lets take the OP and zendari out of the equation for a moment, and actually debate the SC's decision, shall we?

Actually, what this will do is make the true whistle blowers second guess themselves in fear, and ultimately benefit the ones who should be brought out into the light.
 

Starbuck1975

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Actually, what this will do is make the true whistle blowers second guess themselves in fear, and ultimately benefit the ones who should be brought out into the light.
Whistle blowing is serious business...any number of factors can cause an employee to break ranks...there is nothing more dangerous from a PR perspective then disgruntled employees.

Whistle blowers should second guess themselves and should ensure that their facts are straight...especially considering the often seriousness of their allegations.


 

DealMonkey

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I agree with Souter on this one:

And Justice Souter asserted that "private and public interests in addressing official wrongdoing and threats to public health and safety can outweigh the government's stake in the efficient implementation of policy, and when they do public employees who speak on these matters in the course of their duties should be eligible to claim First Amendment protection."
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Welcome to mainland Germany circa 1930.

Mainland? Huh? did Germany have colonies in 1930? I thought all that was taken away after the great war. :confused:
 

zendari

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Yet another example of how the liberals spout nonsense about the courts and Bush administration and illegalities yet will take a dump right on the SCOTUS unless they adhere to the radical agenda.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
Yet another example of how the liberals spout nonsense about the courts and Bush administration and illegalities yet will take a dump right on the SCOTUS unless they adhere to the radical agenda.

As will you unless they adhere to your radical agenda. The part that's high comedy is that Scalia is the activist judge to end all activist judges . . .
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: zendari
Yet another example of how the liberals spout nonsense about the courts and Bush administration and illegalities yet will take a dump right on the SCOTUS unless they adhere to the radical agenda.

How are checks and balances, rights to privacy, and the idea of a government responsible to the people radical?

I guess as long as you have nothing to fear, then you don't care if they listen, trample your rights, or remove the ability to remove the government if they overstep their bounds eh? I think that's the same way that many dictators in history have gained power. Suck up to the peons, grab as much power as they can, limit the peon's ability to fight back, and then claim rule by right.

Great job sparky, you are for the further removal of balance of power!
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I do find this brand of law interesting . . . it pretty much defends the interests of the powerful over everyone else. They don't even pretend that it has anything to do with justice or the public interest. The Constitution allegedly embodies egalitarian philosophy . . . codifying principles of social, political, and arguably economic rights to ALL people. I must have missed the Amendment that says "Gubmet rulz!"

 

6000SUX

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Originally posted by: zendari
It's good to know one can't backstab their employer then come back and file lawsuits so easily. Welcome to the new age of Justices Roberts and Alito and common sense in the nation's judiciary.

We can also tack another case on the lengthy list of 9th circuit mistakes.

That's not what happened in that particular case. The plaintiff jeopardized his career by doing the right thing and speaking out. If his claims are true, his superiors acted illegally by attempting to cover it up. Sadly, it seems that they did not act un-Constitutionally, but that does not mean that their acts weren't criminal.