Justice Dept. Investigates Arizona Sheriff for Enforcing Immigration Law

[Duwelon]

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This article is just sickening. The left is hellbent on attacking law enforcement for enforcing laws because the law doesn't favor the Democrat's voting base.

We all know that the left wants to establish a quid pro quo towards illegal aliens on account of getting their votes later for protection from the law.

from the article:

The press release goes on to say that 20 percent of inmates in the Maricopa County Jail are illegal aliens and that of those, 2,000 illegal aliens - 70 percent - were arrested for felony crimes.

Those felony crimes committed included the following: forgery, 12 percent; kidnapping, 10 percent; aggravated assault, 7 percent; driving under the influence, 7 percent; drug charges, 27 percent; robbery, 3 percent; murder, 3 percent; and theft, 4 percent.

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

 

[Genx87]

I wonder if these people really understand all they are doing is hastening the destruction of the very system that allows them so much freedom? By not addressing immigration from south of the border both sides of the aisle are creating a sub culture that will overrun the native population and not integrate within out society nor follow our laws or customs or even learn the god damned language.

Having an open border and such strict immigration requirements is a recipe for the disaster we are witnessing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Any government that prosecutes the enforcement of the law is no longer a valid source of governance. It is detrimental to the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of the American people.

The illegals should no longer be our primary concern, their enablers should be.

 

[OCGuy]

Solution: Deport them, and clamp down on the border to prevent them from getting back.

Obama is already planning on sending the National Guard to the border for different reasons, reduced illegal immigration will be a side effect.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
link

This article is just sickening. The left is hellbent on attacking law enforcement for enforcing laws because the law doesn't favor the Democrat's voting base.

We all know that the left wants to establish a quid pro quo towards illegal aliens on account of getting their votes later for protection from the law.

from the article:

The press release goes on to say that 20 percent of inmates in the Maricopa County Jail are illegal aliens and that of those, 2,000 illegal aliens - 70 percent - were arrested for felony crimes.

Those felony crimes committed included the following: forgery, 12 percent; kidnapping, 10 percent; aggravated assault, 7 percent; driving under the influence, 7 percent; drug charges, 27 percent; robbery, 3 percent; murder, 3 percent; and theft, 4 percent.

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

So they investigating allegations of wrong doings by Sheriff Joe? If he's honest and follows the law to the letter like he claims he does he should be vindicated. Too bad we can't afford to do this nationwide and clean up all the corruption that does exist in some of our police depts. NYC and Boston would be two good places to start.

 

[Skitzer]

The man is enforcing the laws of his state. If they don't like it they should change the laws.
Let the man do his damn job and leave him alone!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
The man is enforcing the laws of his state. If they don't like it they should change the laws.
Let the man do his damn job and leave him alone!

If he is he has nothing to worry about.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So they investigating allegations of wrong doings by Sheriff Joe? If he's honest and follows the law to the letter like he claims he does he should be vindicated.

I like the guy. I think if more jails were run like his there wouldn't be so many people willing to commit crimes and return. He doesn't hand hold and baby the inmates.
The people in that article bringing charges are probably the same ones that made cable tv a requirement by law for prisoners.

 

[frostedflakes]

"This is to inform you that the United States Department of Justice is commencing an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (''MCSO'') pursuant to the pattern or practice provisions of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,42 U.S.C. §14141 ("Section 14141") and the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968,42 U.S.C. § 3789d ("Safe Streets Act"), and pursuant to the prohibitions against national origin discrimination in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964,42 U.S.C. §§ 2000d to 2000d-7 ("Title Yr') and the Safe Streets Act, 42 U.S.C. § 3789d(c)."

The letter continues: "The investigation will focus on alleged patterns or practices of discriminatory police practices and unconstitutional searches and seizures conducted by the MCSO, and on allegations of national origin discrimination, including failure to provide meaningful access to MCSO services for limited English proficient (LEP) individuals."

"In conducting the investigation, we will seek to determine whether there are violations of the above laws by the MCSO," the letter says.

They're just trying to keep the sheriff honest. If he hasn't broken any laws in his fight against illegal immigration, I say more power to him.

 

[nobodyknows]

Maybe they would better spend their money finding out how Obama's aunt is able to retire in the US on the taxpayers dime.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So they investigating allegations of wrong doings by Sheriff Joe? If he's honest and follows the law to the letter like he claims he does he should be vindicated.

I like the guy. I think if more jails were run like his there wouldn't be so many people willing to commit crimes and return. He doesn't hand hold and baby the inmates.
The people in that article bringing charges are probably the same ones that made cable tv a requirement by law for prisoners.

And if he's following the law to the letter in doing it even better. Like the poster before me stated, if he is dealing with the illegal immigrants by the book that's great, more power to him.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Topic Summary: ...Liberals show they favor Potential voters over Rule of Law.

Duwelon shows he favors human rights abusers of over the rule of law. :|

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Justice Dept. Investigates Arizona Sheriff for Enforcing Immigration Law
Thursday, March 12, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Justice (DOJ) has launched an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Arizona following requests by congressional Democrats and allegations by liberal activists that the department has violated the civil rights of illegal aliens.
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In a letter dated March 10, 2009, Loretta Smith, acting assistant attorney general at the DOJ, detailed what her department would be investigating:

"This is to inform you that the United States Department of Justice is commencing an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (''MCSO'') pursuant to the pattern or practice provisions of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,42 U.S.C. §14141 ("Section 14141") and the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968,42 U.S.C. § 3789d ("Safe Streets Act"), and pursuant to the prohibitions against national origin discrimination in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964,42 U.S.C. §§ 2000d to 2000d-7 ("Title Yr') and the Safe Streets Act, 42 U.S.C. § 3789d(c)."

The letter continues: "The investigation will focus on alleged patterns or practices of discriminatory police practices and unconstitutional searches and seizures conducted by the MCSO, and on allegations of national origin discrimination, including failure to provide meaningful access to MCSO services for limited English proficient (LEP) individuals."

"In conducting the investigation, we will seek to determine whether there are violations of the above laws by the MCSO," the letter says.
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Someday, some evidence and circumstances MAY suggest to some law enforcement agency that you MAY be involved in some criminal activity.

It may not be true, but if this theoretical crime occurs, would you want it investigated and the actual criminals caught and prosecuted?

If you answered, "yes," why wouldn't you want these allegations of abuse against the Arizona sheriffs, if for no other reason than to prove they were innocent?

If even ONE of the sheriffs abused ANY of their prisoners, why would you want to allow that officer to go unpunished, let alone remain on the job? :roll:

If you answered, "yes," and you are not involved in this theoretical crime, would you want your chance to prove your innocence? Would you want others to label you as guilty before you had your day in court?

If so, why would you label every prisoner named in the investigation as an "illegal alien" or a criminal before they had a chance to establish their innocence or guilt in court, as proscribed by law?

If you believe every safeguard in the Constitution and our American system of justice should apply to you, why should you advocate short circuiting it to convict others without affording them those same safeguards?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Why do you think all those liberals are even raising these allegations?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
link

This article is just sickening. The left is hellbent on attacking law enforcement for enforcing laws because the law doesn't favor the Democrat's voting base.

We all know that the left wants to establish a quid pro quo towards illegal aliens on account of getting their votes later for protection from the law.


So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

It is sick what you right wingers have become where you will follow someone like Joe Arpaio. Why is the right so hellbent on wiping their ass on the constitution by supporting people like Arpaio?

Hmm:

What has risen on Sheriff Arpaio?s watch: violent crimes (up 69 percent overall from 2004 to 2007, with homicides up 166 percent in those three years), 911 response times, unserved arrest warrants, racist sweeps of Latino neighborhoods, and dollars paid out in budget overruns, overtime and lawsuit settlements.

Oops

Oh, lets talk jail abuses:

That same year, Scott Norberg died of positional asphyxia after being beaten and forced into a restraint chair by guards. Norberg was tased more than twenty times although he was fully subdued and posed no threat to the officers. Research by the (ABC) 20/20 investigative staff indicates that the officers involved knowingly ignored signs that they were killing Norberg.

Deborah Braillard was a diabetic inmate who was denied her insulin for over two days. When her constant moaning became too much for her cellmates to bear, the guards moved her to an empty cell where she could writhe in pain alone. She died in the hospital.

Mentally handicapped Charles Agster, who weighed only a hundred and thirty-two pounds, was arrested on loitering charges after refusing to leave a convenience store. He was taken into the prison hogtied and wrenched so tightly into a restraint chair that he died within minutes. Although Arpaio admits no wrongdoing, he refuses to let the family of Charles Agster see the surveillance footage of their son being put into the restraint chair.

Paraplegic, wheelchair-bound Richard Post was arrested for being disruptive in a bar. After some time in a cell he complained to the guards that his catheter was full. He flushed the toilet several times in order to get their attention. Instead of giving him medical care the guards strapped him into the restraint chair so tightly that they broke his neck. He is now a quadriplegic.

He also intimidates the local press and mayor because he has a legion of racist rednecks supporting him because they are frightened of brown people. If you want to line up behind a racist murderer as your hero, feel free, it suits you so well.

 

[Skitzer]

Illegal aliens have civil rights?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Illegal aliens have civil rights?

Yes.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Why do you think all those liberals are even raising these allegations?

To stop wannabe abusive tyrants like you from destroying our Constitution and our system of legal justice and to make sure that, when you commit your next crime, even pathetic lamers like you survive being held long enough to get a fair trial.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

Sorry. I can't say it ain't so. I don't lie... and my name isn't Joe. :laugh:

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

I can see where he does some things wrong, but he has also done a lot of things right.
He told them that the troops in Iraq don't get air conditioning so why should prisoners ?
He took away coffee, it isn't a requirement for nutrition so why should taxpayers pay for it. He feeds them bologna sandwiches often to cut cost.
He complied with the law for cable tv but limited it to disney channel and news. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying so a rapist can watch ESPN.

I don't condone physical abuse like has been alleged , but some of the other stuff we need more of in jails.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

They are stuck outside in the heat and merely in a tent even if its 110 degree or the like in Arizona at the time.

At a minimum there are potential health issues with people who may already have existing health issues in this kind of heat. (You can debate what should be allowed, by the Sheriff does engage in some very unusual practices.)

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

They are stuck outside in the heat and merely in a tent even if its 110 degree or the like in Arizona at the time.

At a minimum there are potential health issues with people who may already have existing health issues in this kind of heat. (You can debate what should be allowed, by the Sheriff does engage in some very unusual practices.)

And the soldiers in Iraq are out in 110 degree heat , with full armor . Prison is supposed to suck, not be a day care for criminals.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

I can see where he does some things wrong, but he has also done a lot of things right.
He told them that the troops in Iraq don't get air conditioning so why should prisoners ?
He took away coffee, it isn't a requirement for nutrition so why should taxpayers pay for it. He feeds them bologna sandwiches often to cut cost.
He complied with the law for cable tv but limited it to disney channel and news. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying so a rapist can watch ESPN.

I don't condone physical abuse like has been alleged , but some of the other stuff we need more of in jails.

The abuse isn't alleged, its fact.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

So we have illegal aliens who the left wants to live here unfettered, break our laws, rape, steal, kidnap people for ransom or worse, and all that is just the price your elected officials on the LEFT are willing to make YOU pay so THEY stay in power.

This is just sick what the left has become.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Even your batshit loony wingnut "news" source is careful to state that this is an investigation into allegations:

Duwelon using a batshit crazy wingnut new source? Say it ain't so Joe:laugh:

I seem to remember reading someplace that some of the inmates where alleging that Sheriff Joe was violating there rights by keeping them out in the heat? It seems they felt they should have air conditioning. Maybe even a slurpee every now and then??

LOL!!

I can see where he does some things wrong, but he has also done a lot of things right.
He told them that the troops in Iraq don't get air conditioning so why should prisoners ?
He took away coffee, it isn't a requirement for nutrition so why should taxpayers pay for it. He feeds them bologna sandwiches often to cut cost.
He complied with the law for cable tv but limited it to disney channel and news. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying so a rapist can watch ESPN.

I don't condone physical abuse like has been alleged , but some of the other stuff we need more of in jails.

The abuse isn't alleged, its fact.

Really ? So why isn't he in jail ?

 

[Lemon law]

Anyone who read the link knows this thread is based on a totally false premise.

No one in the USA, liberals included, are investigating the Sheriff for arresting illegal aliens which is the end result, what many are angry at and causes the investigation is that this Sheriff is using illegal and unconstitutional tactic to obtain these arrests. And sadly, the law enforcement officers must respect the constitution even if illegal aliens do not.

Which really means what is being argued is do the ends justify the means? And sadly if we conclude the ends justify the means, we declare ourselves morally bankrupt while ignoring that other inevitable thing that always happens. Sometimes this Sheriff may get the right man or woman while using illegal means, but at other times he will arrest the wrong person and violate the rights of a US citizen. And the latter always happens when shortcuts and illegal means are used. And liberals and conservatives are basically united in saying the ends of various idiots never justify their illegal means.