Just when anti healthcare reform-ers were happy they were winning

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shira
I see the right talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand, they decry "death panels" and rationing. On the other hand, they resent the fact that the young and employed are subsidizing the poor and old via Medicaid and Medicare.

So what is the right suggesting? Stop taxing the young and limit health-care spending on the old and poor to the amount that those groups have actually paid into the system? Sounds like death panels and rationing to me.

There are 20 some odd bills on the house floor put forth by the GOP. I listed them in another thread. They ARE proposing things.

Haven't read them all. Have you?

Good news, you don't have to.

HR 626 has the answers.

Holy time warp batman.

I havent read them all, but I have read a few. The point is, the left is saying the GOP isnt offering alternatives, which is false.

Yeah, that was crazy. 0.o

The GOP hasn't tried to pass meaningful reform in the 8 years they had a good chunk of the power on capitol hill.

They have well known positions being pushed by many of their members to just "stone wall Obama".

When HR 3200 came to the floor and no one wanted to talk about ways to adjust it so that they would vote for it, and instead EVERY GOP MEMBER wanted to vote NO, it screams that they are not interested in change.

If they want a GOOD Public Option or UHC, or a sliding scale maximum cost and no exclusion reform act I'll listen to their suggestions, otherwise I'm not interested.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
It's good that employer-based health insurance is going away. People buying their own will realize just how much it's costing them and their health/life won't be dependent on keeping one particular job. Informed consumer and more job mobility FTW. The only down side here is the current state of non-employer based health insurance. Bend over.

100-150 bucks a month is too much for you to pay for your own insurance? Individual plans are even less than that.

Hell, I don't know why I even bother with you. But if decent insurance was $150 then this whole debate wouldn't be happening.

Shit if health insurance was $150 a month, I'd be all over it and not using my work provided plan. I'm 31 healthy, non smoker, no history of illness, smoking, drug use, dangerous hobbies, and the cheapest I've been quoted is around $500 a month for basic coverage.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I find it amusing that the majority of these anti-reformers that are so adamently against UHC are on medicare:disgust: They have their government healthcare and feel they earned it, but aren't willing to share the government cheese

Add to that the fact that alot of older people are just pissed off at the world in general and looking for any reason to mouth off and I just turn a deaf ear to their faux outrage.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I find it amusing that the majority of these anti-reformers that are so adamently against UHC are on medicare:disgust: They have their government healthcare and feel they earned it, but aren't willing to share the government cheese

Add to that the fact that alot of older people are just pissed off at the world in general and looking for any reason to mouth off and I just turn a deaf ear to their faux outrage.

GUBMINT BETTER NOT TOUCH MY MEDICARE

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shira
I see the right talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand, they decry "death panels" and rationing. On the other hand, they resent the fact that the young and employed are subsidizing the poor and old via Medicaid and Medicare.

So what is the right suggesting? Stop taxing the young and limit health-care spending on the old and poor to the amount that those groups have actually paid into the system? Sounds like death panels and rationing to me.

There are 20 some odd bills on the house floor put forth by the GOP. I listed them in another thread. They ARE proposing things.

Haven't read them all. Have you?

Good news, you don't have to.

HR 626 has the answers.

Holy time warp batman.

I havent read them all, but I have read a few. The point is, the left is saying the GOP isnt offering alternatives, which is false.

Yeah, that was crazy. 0.o

The GOP hasn't tried to pass meaningful reform in the 8 years they had a good chunk of the power on capitol hill.

They have well known positions being pushed by many of their members to just "stone wall Obama".

When HR 3200 came to the floor and no one wanted to talk about ways to adjust it so that they would vote for it, and instead EVERY GOP MEMBER wanted to vote NO, it screams that they are not interested in change.

If they want a GOOD Public Option or UHC, or a sliding scale maximum cost and no exclusion reform act I'll listen to their suggestions, otherwise I'm not interested.

How many bills did the Dems put out in those years? I suspect not many.

And I agree with the bolded. Im not sure how the sliding scale would work, but in theory its a good idea. With maximums of course.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I find it amusing that the majority of these anti-reformers that are so adamently against UHC are on medicare:disgust: They have their government healthcare and feel they earned it, but aren't willing to share the government cheese

Add to that the fact that alot of older people are just pissed off at the world in general and looking for any reason to mouth off and I just turn a deaf ear to their faux outrage.

GUBMINT BETTER NOT TOUCH MY MEDICARE

More of the people who are happy keeping other people down as long as they have what they need.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shira
I see the right talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand, they decry "death panels" and rationing. On the other hand, they resent the fact that the young and employed are subsidizing the poor and old via Medicaid and Medicare.

So what is the right suggesting? Stop taxing the young and limit health-care spending on the old and poor to the amount that those groups have actually paid into the system? Sounds like death panels and rationing to me.

There are 20 some odd bills on the house floor put forth by the GOP. I listed them in another thread. They ARE proposing things.

Haven't read them all. Have you?

Good news, you don't have to.

HR 626 has the answers.

Holy time warp batman.

I havent read them all, but I have read a few. The point is, the left is saying the GOP isnt offering alternatives, which is false.

Yeah, that was crazy. 0.o

The GOP hasn't tried to pass meaningful reform in the 8 years they had a good chunk of the power on capitol hill.

They have well known positions being pushed by many of their members to just "stone wall Obama".

When HR 3200 came to the floor and no one wanted to talk about ways to adjust it so that they would vote for it, and instead EVERY GOP MEMBER wanted to vote NO, it screams that they are not interested in change.

If they want a GOOD Public Option or UHC, or a sliding scale maximum cost and no exclusion reform act I'll listen to their suggestions, otherwise I'm not interested.

How many bills did the Dems put out in those years? I suspect not many.

And I agree with the bolded. Im not sure how the sliding scale would work, but in theory its a good idea. With maximums of course.

I'd be happy with that as well. I mean if you have a chronic condition that requires an ER visit twice a month, it should be made affordable / manageable.

I'd like UHC, but that would be a fair compromise to me.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I find it amusing that the majority of these anti-reformers that are so adamently against UHC are on medicare:disgust: They have their government healthcare and feel they earned it, but aren't willing to share the government cheese

Add to that the fact that alot of older people are just pissed off at the world in general and looking for any reason to mouth off and I just turn a deaf ear to their faux outrage.

GUBMINT BETTER NOT TOUCH MY MEDICARE

:thumbsup:

It's really sad how the GOP uses these scare tactics on the elderly:|

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TruePaige


I'd like UHC, but that would be a fair compromise to me.

I dont mind the idea of UHC. It's single payer Im not crazy about for a number of reasons, none of which I will go into detail about since my flame suit is at the cleaners.