just what is Bit Torrent?

MithShrike

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It's kind of like eMule because you upload and download chunks. It's kind of hard to find files because you have to use website links and certain trackers. Anyway, it's definitely not for the faint of heart. Oh and expect a lock for this thread.
 

Ime

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Originally posted by: Mith
It's kind of like eMule because you upload and download chunks. It's kind of hard to find files because you have to use website links and certain trackers. Anyway, it's definitely not for the faint of heart. Oh and expect a lock for this thread.

Why would the mods lock the thread? Is BT illegal or something?
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: Mith
It's kind of like eMule because you upload and download chunks. It's kind of hard to find files because you have to use website links and certain trackers. Anyway, it's definitely not for the faint of heart. Oh and expect a lock for this thread.

huh?

i downloaded the 'experiemental client' and didn't do anything... just a pop up saying, 'successfully installed' and not a thing changed.. am i missing something here?

and why lock?
 

josphII

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if a person makes a file available to download via BT you download a shortcut-like file and when you double click this shortcut the BT program will start downloading a file. ive only used it once or twice so i cant really say why its so special. but theres no real program to it, you just double click a shortcut and a BT download box pops up.

and if you dont have BT installed, then these BT shortcut files are useless, a double click will result in a windows dialog box asking you which program you wish to open the file with.
 

numark

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Originally posted by: Mith
It's kind of like eMule because you upload and download chunks. It's kind of hard to find files because you have to use website links and certain trackers. Anyway, it's definitely not for the faint of heart. Oh and expect a lock for this thread.

huh?

i downloaded the 'experiemental client' and didn't do anything... just a pop up saying, 'successfully installed' and not a thing changed.. am i missing something here?

and why lock?

To download files, you have to run the client after installation and point it to a .torrent file. There are various sites around that link to .torrents (one doesn't come to the top of my head at the moment). There's no central search function like Kazaa, Morpheus, et al. If you want to try it out, go to RedvsBlue.com and try one of the .torrents for their videos (highly recommended). Otherwise, just use Google to find link sites and download a file that way.
 

Gunther

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After you download the client you have to find websites that have .torrent files. Once you find them just double click them and an interface comes up showing your dl speed/ul speed how many peers and seeds are available.
Its different then other p2p softwares because you don't open it up and connect to a network where you can dl stuff. Instead you have to individually download the torrents for the files you want. Its very good for new stuff and horrible for old things because it totally depends upon other users. There is a thing called seeds, a seed is a client that has finished downloading the file but still has the client open allowing other users to download that file. If there is no seed it is impossible to finish the file. This is good and bad, good it forces everyone to share bandwith, bad old torrents become useless.
For bittorrents the more you upload the higher relative dl you will get. So lets say I have t ul and you have 2t ul well you will get more dl bandwith then me assuming that there are seeds.
If you are really into current tv shows bittorrents are very nice.
Please don't pm me asking for websites because I don't know any american tv show torrent sites.
 

LongCoolMother

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just save a .torrent file, its a tracker. when you run that, it connects to many peers to download chunks of files. its very very effecient because all downloades of the file will upload.

one problem with the system is that say you downloaded 98% of a large file. and no one has the final 2%. there may be 90 people with 98% on the file, but not one has the complete file to "reseed" the file, therefore none of them will ever finish the download.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
just save a .torrent file, its a tracker. when you run that, it connects to many peers to download chunks of files. its very very effecient because all downloades of the file will upload.

one problem with the system is that say you downloaded 98% of a large file. and no one has the final 2%. there may be 90 people with 98% on the file, but not one has the complete file to "reseed" the file, therefore none of them will ever finish the download.
A Torrent file != tracker.

Basically, BT is a P2P transfer system where one opens a torrent file (extension .torrent) and a placeholder is created on the hard drive with the correct size allocated, names, etc. Then it connects to other people who HAVE the file, and who are trying to GET the file. It basically spreads files quickly, depending on the amount of people trading.
 

Ime

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Originally posted by: silverpig
bit torrent = cool

this thread = locked though :(

Seriously, why lock this thread? Is BT illegal or something?
 

SharkyTM

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Numark... geekcode rules:GB/GCS/GIT/GS D+(-) s+:+ a--- C+++ UL++++ P++ L++ E--- W+++ N+ o? K++ w O M+ V-- PS++
PE++ Y+ PGP++ t-- 5-- X- R tv+ b+++ DI++++ D++ G e h- r- y--
i'll have to look mine up
 

ViRGE

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While I think everyone has done a good job covering how it works, I don't think anyone has covered the "why" very well, so here we go.

BitTorrent is what's called a "swarm-type" download system. In a swarm-type system, people who download the file are immediately uploaders to, in that as they get parts of the file, those parts become avilible for download off our original downloader, so that new downloaders don't connect to, and overwhelm the original uploader. The effeciency boost, in turn, is ginormous; in a normal web download system, you either have a very limited number of people that can download(user caps), limited bandwidth for each user(bandwidth caps), or pure pandamonium(i.e. too many users). Because BitTorrent spreads out the bulk of the transfer work to all the users, it has no set user limit, bandwidth is only limited by what's availible on the entire swarm, and there's no one machine that can easily be overwhelmed that breaks the download. Because of this, BitTorrent is a much faster way to download anything in demand, and that's what makes it so special.

It's special enough, really, that the Mozilla devs have been looking in to how they could possibly help implement a similar system in to Mozilla. Replacing traditional distribution methods for popular items(i.e. Fileshack/Planet for new mods, etc) would make things that much better for almost everyone, and is why BitTorrent is so popular.
 

ReiAyanami

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Seriously, why lock this thread? Is BT illegal or something?

This is not a file sharing program, it is a file distribution utility. BT has many legal uses for distrubuting files. For example, that free RTCW standalone expansion recently, and also one of the fastest and most efficient ways to distribute royalty free linux. otherwise a company would have to pay thousands a month in hosting costs
 

JetBlack69

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Seriously, why lock this thread? Is BT illegal or something?

This is not a file sharing program, it is a file distribution utility. BT has many legal uses for distrubuting files. For example, that free RTCW standalone expansion recently, and also one of the fastest and most efficient ways to distribute royalty free linux. otherwise a company would have to pay thousands a month in hosting costs

Yep, I get most of my demo downloads in BT. :D
 

SSP

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
While I think everyone has done a good job covering how it works, I don't think anyone has covered the "why" very well, so here we go.

BitTorrent is what's called a "swarm-type" download system. In a swarm-type system, people who download the file are immediately uploaders to, in that as they get parts of the file, those parts become avilible for download off our original downloader, so that new downloaders don't connect to, and overwhelm the original uploader. The effeciency boost, in turn, is ginormous; in a normal web download system, you either have a very limited number of people that can download(user caps), limited bandwidth for each user(bandwidth caps), or pure pandamonium(i.e. too many users). Because BitTorrent spreads out the bulk of the transfer work to all the users, it has no set user limit, bandwidth is only limited by what's availible on the entire swarm, and there's no one machine that can easily be overwhelmed that breaks the download. Because of this, BitTorrent is a much faster way to download anything in demand, and that's what makes it so special.

It's special enough, really, that the Mozilla devs have been looking in to how they could possibly help implement a similar system in to Mozilla. Replacing traditional distribution methods for popular items(i.e. Fileshack/Planet for new mods, etc) would make things that much better for almost everyone, and is why BitTorrent is so popular.

In theory yes that?s true, but there are *experimental* versions of BT that allows you to set the upload speed lower. I use this to cap my upload to 10kb. I want to actually surf the net while downloading with BT (with a low upload, the connection starts to choke).