Just watched The Passion of the Christ

[glen]

ThePresence, what you don't understand is that for Christians, it is really really important that Christ is killed. If anything the Jews are co-redeemers. If they had not killed him, salvation history would be a whole lot different. Additionally, Christians see themselves as the reason Christ had to die, not the Jews.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: glen
ThePresence, what you don't understand is that for Christians, it is really really important that Christ is killed. If anything the Jews are co-redeemers. If they had not killed him, salvation history would be a whole lot different. Additionally, Christians see themselves as the reason Christ had to die, not the Jews.

Jews did not kill Christ. No one is responsible for Christ's death other than Christ himself. As a devout shee--er, Catholic, I would think you of all people could understand that.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: glen
ThePresence, what you don't understand is that for Christians, it is really really important that Christ is killed. If anything the Jews are co-redeemers. If they had not killed him, salvation history would be a whole lot different. Additionally, Christians see themselves as the reason Christ had to die, not the Jews.

Okay, great. Jews did not kill him, but that has nothing to do with this thread. Again, in this thread, I'm not arguing the story that was portrayed. Just that way he showed the Jewish leaders reminded me of the Nazis. THAT IS IT. Nothing more.

 

[glen]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: glen
ThePresence, what you don't understand is that for Christians, it is really really important that Christ is killed. If anything the Jews are co-redeemers. If they had not killed him, salvation history would be a whole lot different. Additionally, Christians see themselves as the reason Christ had to die, not the Jews.

Jews did not kill Christ. No one is responsible for Christ's death other than Christ himself. As a devout shee--er, Catholic, I would think you of all people could understand that.

Nik, you know we Catholics find salvation in Mary, not Christ. But, it should be clear he died for our sins; therefore, we killed him. Saying He is responsible for His own death really misses the point in the same way thinking the Jews killed Him does.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: glen

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: glen
ThePresence, what you don't understand is that for Christians, it is really really important that Christ is killed. If anything the Jews are co-redeemers. If they had not killed him, salvation history would be a whole lot different. Additionally, Christians see themselves as the reason Christ had to die, not the Jews.

Jews did not kill Christ. No one is responsible for Christ's death other than Christ himself. As a devout shee--er, Catholic, I would think you of all people could understand that.

Nik, you know we Catholics find salvation in Mary, not Christ. But, it should be clear he died for our sins; therefore, we killed him. Saying He is responsible for His own death really misses the point in the same way thinking the Jews killed Him does.

I seriously hope you understand that Mary is no more or less holy than the child-molesting priest preaching at your local mass. She's not God and she never will be. Praying to her is like praying to me: completely useless. Christ dying on the cross made it possible to go directly to the Father. With those options available to you, who are you going to pray to? A dead human? Or God himself?

You think Christ was forced to lay his life down for humanity? He chose to die for our sins and it's that simple.

Let's not turn this into an apologetics thread. I know that by posting what I have just posted, you're going to retort, etc., but I just couldn't help it. Catholics seriously need help in their own religion.

 

[jagec]

This thread turned VERY ugly, VERY fast.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jagec
This thread turned VERY ugly, VERY fast.

I know 🙁

 

[glen]

Nik thought I was serious about Mary. OMG!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: glen
Nik thought I was serious about Mary. OMG!

I thought you were! 🙁 Some of the things you say are so far out in left field that it's hard to tell when you're joking.

 

[mcveigh]

OK I'm a Christian, and I know The Presence is Jewish..and a nice guy, I interviewed him for a religon class I took and he designed my business logo 🙂

he's Just saying they used some evil looking dudes for the Jewish leaders. like that one guy with the mole on his forehead who's always a bad guy in whatever movie he's in. Mel was trying for an effect he wanted to evoke an emotional response from the viewrs I don't think he was trying to be impartial.

now he should have used used Jude Law as Caiphas...that boy is one fine piece of a$$ 😉