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Just watched "Paycheck"...

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DJFuji

Diamond Member
...Like why did Ben Affleck tell Uma Thurman to "go" after he trapped himself inside the lab with the bad guy? He claims that "this is his debt", but i don't see a reason to essentially write his own death warrant. What was the purpose of all that? The bullet was already going to destroy the lab, so what did he stick around for?

..and that FBI guy said "retire him" when they knew Ben Affleck was in the lab. Their justification was "we have the computer, we can't risk it's creator falling into the wrong hands." If they were trying to say "shoot and kill ben affleck because if he gets away he could create another time machine," that doesn't make much sense. 1) he doesn't remember how to create it, and 2) If he was going to create it, they could always find him or know in advance by using that time machine he originally built...

...and is it just me or do other people find it strange that the bad guys were able to CONSISTENTLY keep up with the two protagonists while they were on a motorcycle? A motorcycle should have been able to leave those cars in the dust! There's no way those cars could have accelerated and kept up with it...

...and if i see one more movie where a guy reaches a handgun out the window and shoots while he's driving and then manages to only miss by a few inches, or to hit the car or tire of the other vehicle, i'm going to scream. It's hard enough shooting when you're stationary. How does every bad guy manage to fire with expert accuracy out of a moving vehicle?

...and i refuse to believe that ben afflect moved out of the path of the bullet AFTER it had been fired. That crap is only semi-believable in smallville, and that's because Clark Kent is superman.

If anyone can clear up these things, please enlighten me. It bugs me that certain things happen SOLELY because they coordinate with the plot, even if they don't make a lick of sense.
 
It's a movie

It's a movie

It's a movie

It's a movie

Clark Kent doesn't need to dodge the bullet, it won't hurt him anyway.

😉
 
psh. See i hate that. "It's a movie" is a very poor excuse for the lack of logic or continuity. I can see certain things like ok they fire a machine gun at someone and every shot manages to miss. Yeah that's a stretch but at LEAST get the logic of the plot down....
 
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I just rented this the other day, watched it twice.

It was a great movie concept, had good actors, wish they would have spent a little more time on the script.

Okay first I'll reply to DJFuji's points:

Ben had seen his future that he was going to get shot and die, and was certain that there was no way around it. So to keep her safe he locks her out.

If his intact intellect was able to create the time viewing machine before, then given another 3 years he could do it again. Since he created the first one, he could have bugged it so they couldn't track him with it so it wasn't worth the risk keeping him alive. But if it were me I would have caught him alive and contracted out his services for the government.

He didn't remember how to drive the motorcycle, he probably wasn't going as fast as he could. Plus this is slightly in the future, so the cars probably have some better specs than we're familiar with.

Guns, dunno... a better question, how does someone with a machine gun always miss everybody after firing a thousand rounds...

Yea the moving away during bullet motion was bad - realistically he had already moved enough out of the way to not get hit but they made it look like he was as fast as Neo...

Now my questions.

This movie is about Time Viewing. To view the future via a laser that was stronger than the curvature of the universe, what you saw would have to be the absolute future. This is proven by the fact that he previously saw the doom of the U.S. - by trying to avoid the future they make it happen. Which is why he has to destroy the machine.

But that is the first flaw. If he sussessfully destroys the machine, then that doomed future never happens so then he never sees it, and wouldn't know to destroy the machine. Also the death of the bad guy wasn't supposed to occur, he was supposed to die from the gunshot, etc.

Okay now the paradox. If he knows that the machine will eventually lead to the war and plague that they see and try to prevent... but if he was able to destroy the machine and avert his own death... then logically why wouldn't they be able to avoid the war and plague?

Ideally two things should have happened in this movie - he either should have been unsuccessful in destroying the machine and died - or they should have changed the script to accomodate the destruction of the machine and his evasion of death.

For example, although he saw himself shot with the bullet and fall - he could have slipped armor plating under his shirt and fallen into the pond or something soft to break his fall. Then the image would have been correct but he just never finished the whole viewing. Now for the reason for destroying the machine - maybe he foresaw that the FBI were coming to take it and that Allcom had plans for cheating the stock market and such... Would have gotten rid of the paradoxes.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
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He didn't remember how to drive the motorcycle, he probably wasn't going as fast as he could. Plus this is slightly in the future, so the cars probably have some better specs than we're familiar with.
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Those were Crown Vics. Or maybe Grand Marquis, I don't know, but my point is that even a Police package Crown Vic, while it has a decent top speed, has poor acceleration. That scene bugged me, too, but if the made Afleck's motorcycle as fast as it should have been, it wouldn't have been a chase scene.

Its not THAT far in the future, those were vehicles out of today.

The good accuracy of the guy driving is a little more believable, remember, he is a professional and does this kind of thing for a living; he SHOULD be good at it.

I didn't think the movie was that great, but it was decent.
 
I thought Paycheck was awesome. That typically happens when I go into a movie expecting it to completely blow and then it turns out to be pretty damn good.
 
Originally posted by: Crucial
It's a movie

It's a movie

It's a movie

It's a movie

Clark Kent doesn't need to dodge the bullet, it won't hurt him anyway.

😉
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Indeed it is, only a really bad one.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I thought Paycheck was awesome. That typically happens when I go into a movie expecting it to completely blow and then it turns out to be pretty damn good.
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I thought it was going to suck too. I was really glad that it didn't.
 
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
 
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
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Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
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Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
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The guy who wrote the book that this movie was made after wrote the book "Total Recall" also.

Phillip K. Dick.

all his stories are pretty much along the same lines, he also wrote Minority Report and if you compare the three you can definitely tell they are all from stories written from the same man.

Edit: to answer your question, its not perfect its a scifi flick doesn't need to be perfect, just sit back and enjoy.
 
Originally posted by: blazert40
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
Click to expand...

Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
Click to expand...

The guy who wrote the book that this movie was made after wrote the book "Total Recall" also.

Phillip K. Dick.

all his stories are pretty much along the same lines, he also wrote Minority Report and if you compare the three you can definitely tell they are all from stories written from the same man.

Edit: to answer your question, its not perfect its a scifi flick doesn't need to be perfect, just sit back and enjoy.
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Nah, was just trying to figure out what was meant by 'it shoul've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time'.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: blazert40
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
Click to expand...

Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
Click to expand...

The guy who wrote the book that this movie was made after wrote the book "Total Recall" also.

Phillip K. Dick.

all his stories are pretty much along the same lines, he also wrote Minority Report and if you compare the three you can definitely tell they are all from stories written from the same man.

Edit: to answer your question, its not perfect its a scifi flick doesn't need to be perfect, just sit back and enjoy.
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Nah, was just trying to figure out what was meant by 'it shoul've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time'.
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:beer:
 
Um, it's a movie.

😛

I could nitpick the sh!t out of any movie you want to pick if so care to choose one. The movie sucked anyway.
 
Originally posted by: blazert40
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
Click to expand...

Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
Click to expand...

The guy who wrote the book that this movie was made after wrote the book "Total Recall" also.

Phillip K. Dick.

all his stories are pretty much along the same lines, he also wrote Minority Report and if you compare the three you can definitely tell they are all from stories written from the same man.

Edit: to answer your question, its not perfect its a scifi flick doesn't need to be perfect, just sit back and enjoy.
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Well, all of his books aren't necessarily the same. I'm reading his VALIS trilogy and it's nothing like Bladerunner, Minority Report, etc.. Of course, he wrote the trilogy after he went insane...
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
my 2 cents, (didn't read the thread)...
it should've either been an action movie or a sci fi movie, NOT both at the same time.
Click to expand...

Like Total Recall? 😛 And Terminator!
Click to expand...

for this plot line and seeing how ben is NOT an action star, it was just a bad mix of kung-fu woo style fighting and a sci fi plot. The fighting scenes through out the movie were just horrible.
 
Originally posted by: DJFuji
I can see certain things like ok they fire a machine gun at someone and every shot manages to miss.
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Oh, so you've seen me play MOHAA then. 😉
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore

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Ben had seen his future that he was going to get shot and die, and was certain that there was no way around it. So to keep her safe he locks her out.
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that's absurd. If he's certain there's no way around it, why does he even bother? Why go through all that headache if it's all futile?


He didn't remember how to drive the motorcycle, he probably wasn't going as fast as he could. Plus this is slightly in the future, so the cars probably have some better specs than we're familiar with.
Click to expand...

then I hope those crown victoria's have 900hp viper engines in them or something...

Yea the moving away during bullet motion was bad - realistically he had already moved enough out of the way to not get hit but they made it look like he was as fast as Neo...
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yeah, they clearly showed him move while the bullet was in midair. And it's not even like he's got some superhuman abilities...


This movie is about Time Viewing. To view the future via a laser that was stronger than the curvature of the universe, what you saw would have to be the absolute future. This is proven by the fact that he previously saw the doom of the U.S. - by trying to avoid the future they make it happen. Which is why he has to destroy the machine.

But that is the first flaw. If he sussessfully destroys the machine, then that doomed future never happens so then he never sees it, and wouldn't know to destroy the machine. Also the death of the bad guy wasn't supposed to occur, he was supposed to die from the gunshot, etc.
Click to expand...

This is the paradox that plagues nearly every movie dealing with time travel/seeing into the future. Some scientists theorize that the solution is alternate realities that are created when we artificially screw with the space time continuum.
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edit: screwed up the quotes
 
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: SagaLore

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Ben had seen his future that he was going to get shot and die, and was certain that there was no way around it. So to keep her safe he locks her out.
Click to expand...

that's absurd. If he's certain there's no way around it, why does he even bother? Why go through all that headache if it's all futile?


He didn't remember how to drive the motorcycle, he probably wasn't going as fast as he could. Plus this is slightly in the future, so the cars probably have some better specs than we're familiar with.
Click to expand...

then I hope those crown victoria's have 900hp viper engines in them or something...

Yea the moving away during bullet motion was bad - realistically he had already moved enough out of the way to not get hit but they made it look like he was as fast as Neo...
Click to expand...

yeah, they clearly showed him move while the bullet was in midair. And it's not even like he's got some superhuman abilities...


This movie is about Time Viewing. To view the future via a laser that was stronger than the curvature of the universe, what you saw would have to be the absolute future. This is proven by the fact that he previously saw the doom of the U.S. - by trying to avoid the future they make it happen. Which is why he has to destroy the machine.

But that is the first flaw. If he sussessfully destroys the machine, then that doomed future never happens so then he never sees it, and wouldn't know to destroy the machine. Also the death of the bad guy wasn't supposed to occur, he was supposed to die from the gunshot, etc.
Click to expand...

This is the paradox that plagues nearly every movie dealing with time travel/seeing into the future. Some scientists theorize that the solution is alternate realities that are created when we artificially screw with the space time continuum.
Click to expand...

edit: screwed up the quotes
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I think one of the best time travel movies that doesn't create multiple paradoxes is twelve monkies. Although they can visit the past to solve a puzzle in the future, the past still happens.
 
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