Just saw 'The Abyss'. Science fiction becomes real.

[FrustratedUser]

Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

aha when i first saw the movie i thought it was cooool....saw the movie again couple years ago, looked it up on the internet...found it for sure it was true...kinda had an intuition that it was true.....maybe to help w/ the pressure differences @ that depth?...the effects for it are really coool too...james cameron at one of his bests..probably his best..aha in my opinion...his best

oh wait ...i looked it up after i saw neon genesis evangelion...aha cuz it shows it there too....

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

I find that hard to belive. Any proof somewhere?

 

[ElFenix]

ok, maybe they weren't in it but it did exist at the time

One of the most memorable things about the movie is the leading man (Ed Harris) using breathing fluid to allow him to dive very deep. That would have to be a very strange and unsettling experience. Cameron got the idea some years earlier when he saw a presentation by Frank Falejczyk, the first person to breath oxygenated liquid. Falejczyk actually tried breathing a saline solution first but couldn't handle that. He had more success with a fluorocarbon emulsion like they used in the movie. Harris didn't really have to breathe the fluid for the movie but a rat did, to the displeasure of some animal rights groups.

http://www.apex.net.au/~bill/movies/abyss.html

 

[FrustratedUser]

Cool

 

[Iron Woode]

Not only in the movie.

I saw back in the late 70's or early 80's an episode of Thats Incredible that showed a mouse dumped into a liquid like the one in the movie and it was breathing in the liquid. It was quite disturbing to watch.

 

[Tominator]

I just bought the DVD a few weeks ago and finally sat down and watched it. I'd seen it before, but always the hacked up version shown on TV. Damn good movie!

 

[0roo0roo]

didya watch the directors cut? normal cut kinda sucks

 

[thebestMAX]

Good Flic, gets better each time.

Hey Tominator,

There is a new Stephen Hunter book out in paperback!

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Not only in the movie.

I saw back in the late 70's or early 80's an episode of Thats Incredible that showed a mouse dumped into a liquid like the one in the movie and it was breathing in the liquid. It was quite disturbing to watch.

Hehehe, "That's Incredible" needs to go in that "you grew up before the 80's if..." thread. I used to love that show, hehehe.

Air spaces are the only thing in your body that compress while diving, but you have problems with gasses (nitrogen is the biggie) building up in your system. That is why divers need to decompress if they have been at great depths or for extended periods of time. I wonder what other gasses are in that fluid, because just plain old O2 gets toxic at depth. Just FYI it is a common mistake thinking scuba tanks are filled with oxygen, it is plain old filtered air.
<---scuba instructor

I used to see them use heli-Ox (a mixture of helium and oxygen) for some of the acute asthma or other breathing problems at UCSF. Helium is smaller than nitrogen so it gets into the smaller airways easier.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

I find that hard to belive. Any proof somewhere?

The proof is in the movie. The mouse they submerged in the stuff really was breathing it. The suit Ed Harris used was just a prop though - it was full of pink water so he had to hold his breath while in it. Check out the bonuses on the DVD, very interesting stuff.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Not only in the movie.

I saw back in the late 70's or early 80's an episode of Thats Incredible that showed a mouse dumped into a liquid like the one in the movie and it was breathing in the liquid. It was quite disturbing to watch.

Hehehe, "That's Incredible" needs to go in that "you grew up before the 80's if..." thread. I used to love that show, hehehe.

Air spaces are the only thing in your body that compress while diving, but you have problems with gasses (nitrogen is the biggie) building up in your system. That is why divers need to decompress if they have been at great depths or for extended periods of time. I wonder what other gasses are in that fluid, because just plain old O2 gets toxic at depth. Just FYI it is a common mistake thinking scuba tanks are filled with oxygen, it is plain old filtered air.
<---scuba instructor

I used to see them use heli-Ox (a mixture of helium and oxygen) for some of the acute asthma or other breathing problems at UCSF. Helium is smaller than nitrogen so it gets into the smaller airways easier.

Nitrogen forms bubbles in your bloodstream when you are put under pressure. These can then build up in your lungs and prevent you from getting 02 into your bloodstream. Cardiac arrest is the result.

Helium does not do this and that is why it is used in deep sea diving.

 

[NFS4]

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[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Not only in the movie.

I saw back in the late 70's or early 80's an episode of Thats Incredible that showed a mouse dumped into a liquid like the one in the movie and it was breathing in the liquid. It was quite disturbing to watch.

Hehehe, "That's Incredible" needs to go in that "you grew up before the 80's if..." thread. I used to love that show, hehehe.

Air spaces are the only thing in your body that compress while diving, but you have problems with gasses (nitrogen is the biggie) building up in your system. That is why divers need to decompress if they have been at great depths or for extended periods of time. I wonder what other gasses are in that fluid, because just plain old O2 gets toxic at depth. Just FYI it is a common mistake thinking scuba tanks are filled with oxygen, it is plain old filtered air.
<---scuba instructor

I used to see them use heli-Ox (a mixture of helium and oxygen) for some of the acute asthma or other breathing problems at UCSF. Helium is smaller than nitrogen so it gets into the smaller airways easier.

Nitrogen forms bubbles in your bloodstream when you are put under pressure. These can then build up in your lungs and prevent you from getting 02 into your bloodstream. Cardiac arrest is the result.

Helium does not do this and that is why it is used in deep sea diving.

Helium is used for saturation diving, nitrogen causes narcosis at around 100ft for most people. Nitrogen gets into your blood and tissues, the joints (and other places with less circulation) is where it tends to accumulate the most. Commercial divers get brittle bones after too many years of diving because of the gasses getting in the marrow.

 

[tcsenter]

Notice that the lungs are not totally 'submerged' in or filled with this fluid like a closed system, the PFC is used here in a manner that is very akin to a high rate humidifier for ventilation machines. In fact, it seems that this may prove more beneficial than plain old saline as a humidifying agent in ventilators and may one day replace sterile saline or water.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Notice that the lungs are not totally 'submerged' in or filled with this fluid like a closed system, the PFC is used here in a manner that is very akin to a high rate humidifier for ventilation machines. In fact, it seems that this may prove more beneficial than plain old saline as a humidifying agent in ventilators and may one day replace sterile saline or water.

I doubt it. These patients must be totally out for this to be used, and a paralytic agent working. Right where the main bronchi part, there is a major gag reflex. They must be out for this to work or they would be coughing like mad.

When suctioning unconscious patients that we have intubated, you stop inserting the suction hose when they start to cough, then slowly pull it out. Even deeply unconscious people gag and cough when that area is touched.

That is a treatment that will be reserved for very ill patients I think. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, or second, or third,...

 

[ChrisIsBored]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

I find that hard to belive. Any proof somewhere?

The proof is in your own link man!

The ability of liquid perfluorochemicals (PFCs) to support "liquid breathing" first was demonstrated in the early 1960s by immersing a mouse in a glass beaker filled with an oxygenated PFC. Although it was completely submerged in the liquid, the mouse was able to breathe, which proved that the PFC was able to facilitate the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

 

[tcsenter]

I doubt it. These patients must be totally out for this to be used, and a paralytic agent working. Right where the main bronchi part, there is a major gag reflex. They must be out for this to work or they would be coughing like mad.

When suctioning unconscious patients that we have intubated, you stop inserting the suction hose when they start to cough, then slowly pull it out. Even deeply unconscious people gag and cough when that area is touched.

But the thing is, people get acclimated to that stimulation if it is constant, the reflex becomes desensitized, which is how people can sit up in bed and respond while on a ventilator without freaking out. However, I didn't mean to generalize so broadly, there would be no reason to use this therapy in patients absent severe respiratory/pulmonary complications.

 

[Spoooon]

Originally posted by: ChrisIsBored

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

I find that hard to belive. Any proof somewhere?

The proof is in your own link man!

The ability of liquid perfluorochemicals (PFCs) to support "liquid breathing" first was demonstrated in the early 1960s by immersing a mouse in a glass beaker filled with an oxygenated PFC. Although it was completely submerged in the liquid, the mouse was able to breathe, which proved that the PFC was able to facilitate the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

He was under the impression that "they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it" meant that Ed Harris was in a suit with oxygenated water.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Very good movie btw, seen it before.
Anyhow. You know the scene were Ed Harris breathes liquid? Well, guess what. It is possible.

yeah... they showed it in the movie... they actually were in a liquid with a large amount of oxygen disolved in it... it was reality when that movie was released...

I find that hard to belive. Any proof somewhere?

The proof is in the movie. The mouse they submerged in the stuff really was breathing it. The suit Ed Harris used was just a prop though - it was full of pink water so he had to hold his breath while in it. Check out the bonuses on the DVD, very interesting stuff.

To me it looked like the mouse was in severe pain and dying.

 

[tcsenter]

To me it looked like the mouse was in severe pain and dying.

Have you ever aspirated liquid (drink went down the wrong pipe)? It probably feels like that x 2.

None the worse for it, though.