Just saw my first Hyundai Genesis in person

[dud]

The Genesis I saw was the more expensive 3.8l (prob about $28 - $31K) version of the car. I was really surprised because (from afar) I thought it was a Nissan 350/370. I did some research and the Genesis is slightly less expensive (for what you get) than the 370z. Overall it looked very nice with lighter paint (white/tan) and alloy wheels.

Would I buy one? No. I would not buy a Genesis new. the depreciation on the car would be significant. If I were to buy on I would wait and buy something like a 3-year old unit for about half (or less) of new. head-to-head the Genesis looks like a close copy of the Nissan but the 370 will hold it's value a lot better than the Hyundai.

I am not a Hyundai fan ... but if they continue to make cars like this and price them competitively ...


Just my humble opinion ...

 

[exar333]

I would estimate these cars will be in pretty high demand as soon as they are getting more than a year or two old. They will be great performers, at a really great price.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

These are definitely attractive cars, even if they have a somewhat generic quality to them IMO. One of the instructors at my BMW Performance Driving School a couple of weeks ago had a Genesis Coupe and it did well on the track (though I have no idea what if any mods this particular car had).

 

[Aharami]

looks great from the back. from the front, not so much

 

[kalrith]

I've seen the sedan and think it looks pretty sharp. I haven't seen a coupe yet.

 

[KIAman]

I've test driven the 3.8 and 4.6. They are definitely luxurious but have a strangely weighted steering feel. There is GOBS of room inside, it looks like a limo in the back. Also, I don't know if it's the tires or what but they have a lot of tire noise compared to my BMW 3 sedan. Other than that, they are worth the price imo.

Off topic: When it comes to styling, would you believe the KIA Soul won the style award?!?!? LOL, also some of their new up and coming Civic fighters look sharp as well.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Aharami
looks great from the back. from the front, not so much

Agreed...there is something lacking in the front design of the coupe.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

How it's a poor man's version? It competes directly with the Z.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

How it's a poor man's version? It competes directly with the Z.

is it not cheaper than a Z?
pricing stops where teh Z begins.

 

[lastig21]

I haven't seen a coupe in person yet, but the sedans really look nice. My wife even commented on one (before she new it was Hyundai, and then withdrew her compliment), and she almost never notices cars.

 

[thescreensavers]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: Aharami
looks great from the back. from the front, not so much

Agreed...there is something lacking in the front design of the coupe.

totally agree, plus the cheap/small Hyundai grill is annoying

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: lastig21
I haven't seen a coupe in person yet, but the sedans really look nice. My wife even commented on one (before she new it was Hyundai, and then withdrew her compliment), and she almost never notices cars.

Sounds like something my mom would do :laugh:

 

[Dman877]

I saw my first one a few weeks ago and thought it looked pretty sweet as it drove past. Then I saw one sitting on a dealer lot and I wasn't as taken with it, I think there's too much black plastic on the front end maybe?

It's definitely a worthy effort on Hyundai's part. I think a second gen version with the common complaints addressed (every editor complained about drive train thrash and the redline issue) it'll be on my list.

 

[dud]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

How it's a poor man's version? It competes directly with the Z.

is it not cheaper than a Z?
pricing stops where teh Z begins.

Yes, the Genesis is slightly less expensive but INHO within the same pricing "class". The Genesis will depreciate much faster than a 370z so IF I bought one I would wait and buy a 2-4 year old model with low miles.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

How it's a poor man's version? It competes directly with the Z.

is it not cheaper than a Z?
pricing stops where teh Z begins.

Yes, the Genesis is slightly less expensive but INHO within the same pricing "class". The Genesis will depreciate much faster than a 370z so IF I bought one I would wait and buy a 2-4 year old model with low miles.

genesis coupe starts low 20's and ends low 30's.
370z starts at low 30's and ends low 40's.
minor overlap but that's like saying the bmw 3 series is in the same pricing class as the 5 series.

 

[SickBeast]

I saw a guy test drive a Genesis coupe and asked him what he thought. He said he liked it.

I agree with the people who say that it's the new Tiburon though. The Genesis will be old news in a couple of years and will depreciate like mad. I prefer the Camaro for the same price.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I saw a guy test drive a Genesis coupe and asked him what he thought. He said he liked it.

I agree with the people who say that it's the new Tiburon though. The Genesis will be old news in a couple of years and will depreciate like mad. I prefer the Camaro for the same price.

Car and driver agrees with you

I like styling quite a bit more on the camaro and from what car and driver said about ride quality that's a big plus in favor of the camaro. All in all the genesis looks like a good first shot into the pony car market and after some tweaks could be a serious contender.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
genesis coupe starts low 20's and ends low 30's.
370z starts at low 30's and ends low 40's.
minor overlap but that's like saying the bmw 3 series is in the same pricing class as the 5 series.

The low 20s is the 2.0T. Does the Z come with a smaller engine option? No, and if it did it would start at a lower price, probably around $25K which is not much different than the $22K Genesis entry model. So let's compare apples to apples, rather than attempt to skew the argument with misleading "facts."



Base Genesis 3.8: $25,000 MSRP http://www.edmunds.com/new/201...101147006/prices.html)
Track Genesis 3.8: $31,000 http://www.edmunds.com/new/201.../101147011/prices.html


Base 370Z: $29,930 MSRP http://www.edmunds.com/new/200.../101134617/prices.html
Touring 370Z: $35,760 http://www.edmunds.com/new/200.../101134620/prices.html


They're within a few thousand. You're twisting facts when you say 20-30 and 30-40. The Genesis 3.8 is not low 20s, and the top end Z is not 40K.

 

[dud]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'd take a 370z over this poor man's version anyday.

How it's a poor man's version? It competes directly with the Z.

is it not cheaper than a Z?
pricing stops where teh Z begins.

Yes, the Genesis is slightly less expensive but INHO within the same pricing "class". The Genesis will depreciate much faster than a 370z so IF I bought one I would wait and buy a 2-4 year old model with low miles.

genesis coupe starts low 20's and ends low 30's.
370z starts at low 30's and ends low 40's.
minor overlap but that's like saying the bmw 3 series is in the same pricing class as the 5 series.

Blahblah ... where did you get your numbers from ... or did you make them up? For example the V6 370z tops out at only $36K.

If you compare apples-to-apples ... I compared the 3.8L Genesis ($25K to $31K) to the 3.7L 370z ($30K to $36K). The 370 z only comes in a V6 while the Genesis comes in both 4 and V6 model. It would NOT be fair to compare a 4 cylinder Genesis against a V6 370z.

That being said COMPARABLE models do overlap and yes, the Genesis is $4-$5K less ...

The Hyundai is cheaper but will lose it's value MUCH faster than the Z. After my encounter I like the Genesis but IMHO the Genesis is a Z wanabe.

 

[Engineer]

I still think Hyundai should have branded the Genesis as the "Luxury" or "upscale" brand of Hyundai (Lexus vs Toyota, Acura vs Honda, Infinity vs Nissan). While Hyundai's are improving, they have a legacy image, that's associated with the name Hyundai, that's hard to outgrow (just ask the former big 3 about the legacy image of bad quality).

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: dud
Blahblah ... where did you get your numbers from ... or did you make them up? For example the V6 370z tops out at only $36K.

If you compare apples-to-apples ... I compared the 3.8L Genesis ($25K to $31K) to the 3.7L 370z ($30K to $36K). The 370 z only comes in a V6 while the Genesis comes in both 4 and V6 model. It would NOT be fair to compare a 4 cylinder Genesis against a V6 370z.

That being said COMPARABLE models do overlap and yes, the Genesis is $4-$5K less ...

The Hyundai is cheaper but will lose it's value MUCH faster than the Z. After my encounter I like the Genesis but IMHO the Genesis is a Z wanabe.

the same way you got $31k for the genesis. optioning it out.
370Z touring + auto trans + sports package is $39k already. i haven't even added the tech package which is another $2k.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: dud
Blahblah ... where did you get your numbers from ... or did you make them up? For example the V6 370z tops out at only $36K.

If you compare apples-to-apples ... I compared the 3.8L Genesis ($25K to $31K) to the 3.7L 370z ($30K to $36K). The 370 z only comes in a V6 while the Genesis comes in both 4 and V6 model. It would NOT be fair to compare a 4 cylinder Genesis against a V6 370z.

That being said COMPARABLE models do overlap and yes, the Genesis is $4-$5K less ...

The Hyundai is cheaper but will lose it's value MUCH faster than the Z. After my encounter I like the Genesis but IMHO the Genesis is a Z wanabe.

the same way you got $31k for the genesis. optioning it out.
370Z touring + auto trans + sports package is $39k already. i haven't even added the tech package which is another $2k.

See my links.

And why the hell are you buying a 370Z with an automatic? Are you gimpy in the left foot and right hand?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: dud
Blahblah ... where did you get your numbers from ... or did you make them up? For example the V6 370z tops out at only $36K.

If you compare apples-to-apples ... I compared the 3.8L Genesis ($25K to $31K) to the 3.7L 370z ($30K to $36K). The 370 z only comes in a V6 while the Genesis comes in both 4 and V6 model. It would NOT be fair to compare a 4 cylinder Genesis against a V6 370z.

That being said COMPARABLE models do overlap and yes, the Genesis is $4-$5K less ...

The Hyundai is cheaper but will lose it's value MUCH faster than the Z. After my encounter I like the Genesis but IMHO the Genesis is a Z wanabe.

the same way you got $31k for the genesis. optioning it out.
370Z touring + auto trans + sports package is $39k already. i haven't even added the tech package which is another $2k.

See my links.

And why the hell are you buying a 370Z with an automatic? Are you gimpy in the left foot and right hand?

you said the 370Z is not a $40k car. i showed you a $41k 370z, a fairly common configuration i might add.

all the cars i've owned are stick. i daily drive a stick in nyc traffic. and the only way to get a $31k genesis is to option a 3.8 track with an auto. so don't give me none of that gimpy left foot right hand bullshit, when you did the same thing.

i like how when i pointed out some holes in your argument, you quickly resort to personal attacks that are off topic.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: dud
Blahblah ... where did you get your numbers from ... or did you make them up? For example the V6 370z tops out at only $36K.

If you compare apples-to-apples ... I compared the 3.8L Genesis ($25K to $31K) to the 3.7L 370z ($30K to $36K). The 370 z only comes in a V6 while the Genesis comes in both 4 and V6 model. It would NOT be fair to compare a 4 cylinder Genesis against a V6 370z.

That being said COMPARABLE models do overlap and yes, the Genesis is $4-$5K less ...

The Hyundai is cheaper but will lose it's value MUCH faster than the Z. After my encounter I like the Genesis but IMHO the Genesis is a Z wanabe.

the same way you got $31k for the genesis. optioning it out.
370Z touring + auto trans + sports package is $39k already. i haven't even added the tech package which is another $2k.

See my links.

And why the hell are you buying a 370Z with an automatic? Are you gimpy in the left foot and right hand?

You do know that only a small percentage of cars sold today are manual so him going auto makes perfect sense.