Just in Case you Are Interested: This page has detailed casualty information for Iraq
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Definitely a marked decline in February...I thought I had noticed a lack of bad news last month. Hope the trend continues down to 0 
Is this the future of warfare, where death tolls, as tragic as they may be, are much, much lower than in previous wars? I think the weekly death toll in Vietnam was 500.
Will this make deaths and injuries more personal than statistical?
Will this make America less likely to fight in the future?
Will this make deaths and injuries more personal than statistical?
Will this make America less likely to fight in the future?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Lies this, lies that. If you believe that the government lied, then you also believe:
That Desert Storm was to show Saddam who was Boss;
That the Vietnam War was simply to feed the military industrial complex;
That World War II was instigated on lies and our government deliberately turning a blind eye on Japanese activities so that we could enter the fray. You also probably believe that WWII was created by rich and powerful men to scare the world into coming together and forming a one world government in the form of the United Nations;
That World War I was instigated to solidify communist control over Russia. See, the commies were supported by the super-rich in the West. Russia was used by these super-rich as a testing ground for a new communal system originally concocted by Freemasons to enslave the whole world;
That the American Civil War was instigated by Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogmas and the foremost thinker of American Freemasonry. Pike, who also founded the Ku Klux Klan, used the war for his banker friends to feast on the military. According to you, the war had little to do with keeping the Union together. Oh yeah, Pike controlled the Johnson White House too;
That the American Revolution was a concocted by men in the shadows who were heavily indebted to European bankers. Either that or it was the dream-child of Freemasons to setup a new nation.
Go ahead, keep believing that there are ulterior motives and conspiracy theories behind everything. BTW, for Bush to have lied, then Clinton lied, Gephardt lied, along with many other members of Congress over a long period of time just so that we could come to this point.
Very well said Dari...........
Some people just don't believe that certain issues do go beyond pure politics.
Bush did not lead us into Iraq for any motive other than he so stated. You try being responsible for 270 million people and their future offspring, Sometimes ya do what ya got to do.
Some people just don't believe that certain issues do go beyond pure politics.
Bush did not lead us into Iraq for any motive other than he so stated. You try being responsible for 270 million people and their future offspring, Sometimes ya do what ya got to do.
Mean MrMustard
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Originally posted by: Dari
Lies this, lies that. If you believe that the government lied, then you also believe:
That Desert Storm was to show Saddam who was Boss;
That the Vietnam War was simply to feed the military industrial complex;
That World War II was instigated on lies and our government deliberately turning a blind eye on Japanese activities so that we could enter the fray. You also probably believe that WWII was created by rich and powerful men to scare the world into coming together and forming a one world government in the form of the United Nations;
That World War I was instigated to solidify communist control over Russia. See, the commies were supported by the super-rich in the West. Russia was used by these super-rich as a testing ground for a new communal system originally concocted by Freemasons to enslave the whole world;
That the American Civil War was instigated by Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogmas and the foremost thinker of American Freemasonry. Pike, who also founded the Ku Klux Klan, used the war for his banker friends to feast on the military. According to you, the war had little to do with keeping the Union together. Oh yeah, Pike controlled the Johnson White House too;
That the American Revolution was a concocted by men in the shadows who were heavily indebted to European bankers. Either that or it was the dream-child of Freemasons to setup a new nation.
Go ahead, keep believing that there are ulterior motives and conspiracy theories behind everything. BTW, for Bush to have lied, then Clinton lied, Gephardt lied, along with many other members of Congress over a long period of time just so that we could come to this point.
Hey, I thought it was only those 'wacky liberals' that spewed gross generalizations. I guess I was wrong.
Originally posted by: ELP
Originally posted by: Dari
Lies this, lies that. If you believe that the government lied, then you also believe:
That Desert Storm was to show Saddam who was Boss;
That the Vietnam War was simply to feed the military industrial complex;
That World War II was instigated on lies and our government deliberately turning a blind eye on Japanese activities so that we could enter the fray. You also probably believe that WWII was created by rich and powerful men to scare the world into coming together and forming a one world government in the form of the United Nations;
That World War I was instigated to solidify communist control over Russia. See, the commies were supported by the super-rich in the West. Russia was used by these super-rich as a testing ground for a new communal system originally concocted by Freemasons to enslave the whole world;
That the American Civil War was instigated by Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogmas and the foremost thinker of American Freemasonry. Pike, who also founded the Ku Klux Klan, used the war for his banker friends to feast on the military. According to you, the war had little to do with keeping the Union together. Oh yeah, Pike controlled the Johnson White House too;
That the American Revolution was a concocted by men in the shadows who were heavily indebted to European bankers. Either that or it was the dream-child of Freemasons to setup a new nation.
Go ahead, keep believing that there are ulterior motives and conspiracy theories behind everything. BTW, for Bush to have lied, then Clinton lied, Gephardt lied, along with many other members of Congress over a long period of time just so that we could come to this point.
Hey, I thought it was only those 'wacky liberals' that spewed gross generalizations. I guess I was wrong.
Don't get it, do you? The same liberals that believe the gov't lied about Iraqi Freedom also claim the aforementioned conspiracies.
Hayabusa Rider
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My attitude towards Bush is never attribute to malice what incompetence explains.
The buck never got to him.
It's all Tenets fault, right?
The buck never got to him.
It's all Tenets fault, right?
sandorski
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Originally posted by: Dari
Lies this, lies that. If you believe that the government lied, then you also believe:
That Desert Storm was to show Saddam who was Boss;
That the Vietnam War was simply to feed the military industrial complex;
That World War II was instigated on lies and our government deliberately turning a blind eye on Japanese activities so that we could enter the fray. You also probably believe that WWII was created by rich and powerful men to scare the world into coming together and forming a one world government in the form of the United Nations;
That World War I was instigated to solidify communist control over Russia. See, the commies were supported by the super-rich in the West. Russia was used by these super-rich as a testing ground for a new communal system originally concocted by Freemasons to enslave the whole world;
That the American Civil War was instigated by Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogmas and the foremost thinker of American Freemasonry. Pike, who also founded the Ku Klux Klan, used the war for his banker friends to feast on the military. According to you, the war had little to do with keeping the Union together. Oh yeah, Pike controlled the Johnson White House too;
That the American Revolution was a concocted by men in the shadows who were heavily indebted to European bankers. Either that or it was the dream-child of Freemasons to setup a new nation.
Go ahead, keep believing that there are ulterior motives and conspiracy theories behind everything. BTW, for Bush to have lied, then Clinton lied, Gephardt lied, along with many other members of Congress over a long period of time just so that we could come to this point.
Yup, say 1 you say 'em all.
Mean MrMustard
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Given the information we have available, Dari, the only conclusion available at the moment is that the gov't did, indeed, lie, that it cherry picked intelligence information, and that it distorted that information to fit its overreaching goal of deposing Saddam Hussein. That does NOT mean that I, or anyone else who sees this administration's BS for what it is, supports any of the other laughable bullshit that you've dreamt up to try and cast doubters as conspiracy theorists.
People CAN dissent and not be crackpots, just as citizens can engage in civil protest and eventually be regarded as heroes and not criminals.
How so?
Are you saying that I'm either schizophrenic or that there are several people writing under this ID? If so, please elaborate.Ah! I love when the ultimate sacrifices of our men and women turn into a politically charged diatribe of those barely impacted by the death of a single one of these soldiers. I'm not saying you don't have the right to discuss it, but damn, how about reveling in what they DID do rather than what someone else said or did. It takes a special kind of human to lay their life on the line for the beliefs, statements and actions of others and a whole other type of person to lay their cartoon charicature and username anonymously on the alter of internet freedom and spew a bunch of irrelevant bull$hit in a way almost totally unrelated related to the OP and the information he posted.
No one bothers to mention or even list that a large number of the casualties in this war were preventable accidents. It just doesn't sound as politically charged to say that a soldier died because he was sleeping in the middle of a roadway and got run over by a track or was improperly handing a loaded weapon and killed him/herself. Nope, those deaths won't spark the kind of debates that some of us like to rant on and on about to make ourselves feel like we've done something about anything in the world other than sit at a computer and spew a bunch of BS to those that will listen.
Now, take some time, think long and hard about those that have died and ask yourself if you think they would want someone like yourselves to sit around and use their death as some sort of political pawn in a chess game you can't win on some message board on the internet. I think you'll find they're calling back from the dead and telling you to lay off the politics of the past, remember their sacrifice and actually do something so it won't happen again.
No one bothers to mention or even list that a large number of the casualties in this war were preventable accidents. It just doesn't sound as politically charged to say that a soldier died because he was sleeping in the middle of a roadway and got run over by a track or was improperly handing a loaded weapon and killed him/herself. Nope, those deaths won't spark the kind of debates that some of us like to rant on and on about to make ourselves feel like we've done something about anything in the world other than sit at a computer and spew a bunch of BS to those that will listen.
Now, take some time, think long and hard about those that have died and ask yourself if you think they would want someone like yourselves to sit around and use their death as some sort of political pawn in a chess game you can't win on some message board on the internet. I think you'll find they're calling back from the dead and telling you to lay off the politics of the past, remember their sacrifice and actually do something so it won't happen again.
Actually, I would contend that the accident rate is only marginally higher than it would be in peacetime. Surprisingly, many of the aircraft related accidents that are killing over there happen over here in the states too and considering the environment and maintenance capability in theatre, the numbers probably still aren't too statistically different.
Dari -- I'll tell you what. This administration, should they encounter a genuine WMD crisis or feel the need to go to war again, will have a tough time getting anyone to believe them. What's that old maxim about the boy crying wolf?
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