Just gave ATI some feedback.

[VIAN]

"I understand that you want an easy driver GUI, but can I have more options to all these features that trade IQ for performance. Put it under an advanced options or something. I feel too limited with the current options. I don't like that I'm being told what to have. I need more options. Some people on the forums feel this way too. Say for ex. if I wanted to turn off the adaptive trilinear - then I could do that. If I wanted to change the angle dependancy of the adaptive anisotropic filtering - I would be able to do that too. It would be great if you could include those among other options like these. It would definitely make the gaming community very happy. For those of us that understand. Hide it in a button and let us know what each feature does so that we know if we want to enable it or not. A fully customizeable driver. How's that for marketing. Thanks again."

 

[Schadenfroh]

cant you play with the registry settings to do that?

 

[VIAN]

yeah, but that's messy, I want it in the driver GUI.

 

[jagec]

It would be nice to have in the UI. Just have an "advanced" button or something, allow you to customize every detail. that would be cool.

 

[Lonyo]

You do realise that the adaptive filterin is only on the RV3xx and R4xx cards, don't you?
You have a 9700Pro according to your sig, so it doesn't even affect you.

And I don't think you can change angle dependency, it's a hardware thing, otherwise nVidia might have changed to it on their NV3x series cards, rather than waiting until a totally new core to implement it.

 

[McArra]

Yep, and you can change lots of advanced settings with Rage 3D tweaker....

 

[g3pro]

They should also put a feature in there which turns off AF and trilinear filtering optimisations. :|

 

[VIAN]

You do realise that the adaptive filterin is only on the RV3xx and R4xx cards, don't you?
You have a 9700Pro according to your sig, so it doesn't even affect you.

Obviously, they wouldn't put the feature only in one card, it wouldn't make sense, especially an old card. And hopefully they bring the adaptive trilinear to the 9700.

And I don't think you can change angle dependency, it's a hardware thing, otherwise nVidia might have changed to it on their NV3x series cards, rather than waiting until a totally new core to implement it.

You can change the LOD which, is either the angle dependency or does something like it, because if you change the LOD you can get AF like NV3x.

Yep, and you can change lots of advanced settings with Rage 3D tweaker....

Yes, I know, but I don't have a clue what they do. They don't explain it IIRC.

 

[Marsumane]

Dispite the few flaws in your post, I love the idea of a totally customizable driver. It could make unplayable games in the future playable on older hardware, and make newer hardware's IQ even better if the user chooses to sacrifice frames per sec. I think NV and ATI should both put every option that is possible to change into their drivers for users to play with.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: VIAN

You do realise that the adaptive filterin is only on the RV3xx and R4xx cards, don't you?
You have a 9700Pro according to your sig, so it doesn't even affect you.

Obviously, they wouldn't put the feature only in one card, it wouldn't make sense, especially an old card. And hopefully they bring the adaptive trilinear to the 9700.

The 9600 core is *newer* (and different) than the 9700Pro/9800Pro core. It was the first one they built on .13u tech. So it's entirely possible the adaptive trilinear just doesn't exist in the R350 (the most likely explanation, IMO, for why they never implemented it there).

And I don't think you can change angle dependency, it's a hardware thing, otherwise nVidia might have changed to it on their NV3x series cards, rather than waiting until a totally new core to implement it.

You can change the LOD which, is either the angle dependency or does something like it, because if you change the LOD you can get AF like NV3x.

LOD is different than angle-dependant AF (although changing the LOD diminishes its effect). AFAIK, it's done in hardware and can't be changed.

 

[BFG10K]

if I wanted to turn off the adaptive trilinear - then I could do that.

Given your card doesn't even support said feature in the hardware how do you expect ATi to provide such a setting for you?

If I wanted to change the angle dependancy of the adaptive anisotropic filtering - I would be able to do that too.

That's been done entirely in the hardware since the R100 days. Nobody can change that.

And hopefully they bring the adaptive trilinear to the 9700.

Again they can't because the filtering is done at the hardware level. The driver only makes the decision when to do it.

You can change the LOD which, is either the angle dependency

LOD has absolutely nothing to do with angles. It simply controls the distances that determine which mip-map is sampled at any given time.

AFAIK, it's done in hardware and can't be changed.

LOD is completely configurable at the driver and software level. There's probably an option in the registry to control it too.

 

[high]

Go outside and get some fresh air vian. You really waste life away worrying about this crap, rofl.

 

[Corporate Thug]

VIAN, dont buy an ATi card. see how easily that solves the problem?

 

[SickBeast]

VIAN, that was a noble attempt, but I doubt ATi will listen. If 10,000,000 of us e-mailed them on this matter, maybe something would be done. Because it's just you they'll probably think you're loonie-toons and ignore you. I'm sorry but it's true.

I would appreciate these features in some ways, but wouldn't they really complicate things? I mean, I find it hard enough already to configure my games properly...and you want to add like 30 more options? Wow. Tweakers-R-Us. :beer:

 

[VIAN]

The 9600 core is *newer* (and different) than the 9700Pro/9800Pro core. It was the first one they built on .13u tech. So it's entirely possible the adaptive trilinear just doesn't exist in the R350 (the most likely explanation, IMO, for why they never implemented it there).

Given your card doesn't even support said feature in the hardware how do you expect ATi to provide such a setting for you?

Did they ever say it was in hardware? I remember they said software algorithm. If it's in hardware, oh well, but this was just to serve as an example of such things that could be customizeable.

LOD is different than angle-dependant AF (although changing the LOD diminishes its effect). AFAIK, it's done in hardware and can't be changed.

Unfortunately done in hardware. Well, at least let us change the LOD.

Again they can't because the filtering is done at the hardware level. The driver only makes the decision when to do it.

Why do you have to answer they same question twice?

VIAN, dont buy an ATi card. see how easily that solves the problem?

I never said I didn't like ATI. Nvidia doesn't have the features either. I just thought it would be a cool idea to have something like the Amigamerlin 3dfx drivers where you can customize tons of options to decrease/increase stability, performance, IQ.

VIAN, that was a noble attempt, but I doubt ATi will listen. If 10,000,000 of us e-mailed them on this matter, maybe something would be done. Because it's just you they'll probably think you're loonie-toons and ignore you. I'm sorry but it's true.

I would appreciate these features in some ways, but wouldn't they really complicate things? I mean, I find it hard enough already to configure my games properly...and you want to add like 30 more options? Wow. Tweakers-R-Us.

I hear ya dude, and I used to think like that too, but it's worth a shot. If you're in the US and watch TV. One Out Of Many.

I don't like to set things per game as I tend to focus on creating a standard setting for game playing.

 

[oldfart]

Did they ever say it was in hardware?

Yes

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: VIAN

The 9600 core is *newer* (and different) than the 9700Pro/9800Pro core. It was the first one they built on .13u tech. So it's entirely possible the adaptive trilinear just doesn't exist in the R350 (the most likely explanation, IMO, for why they never implemented it there).

Given your card doesn't even support said feature in the hardware how do you expect ATi to provide such a setting for you?

Did they ever say it was in hardware? I remember they said software algorithm. If it's in hardware, oh well, but this was just to serve as an example of such things that could be customizeable.

I never saw anything from ATI specifically saying it was in hardware, but that was implied by some of their comments during their live chat (something about the driver "selecting the appropriate hardware algorithm" or the like). The 9600 and X800 cards are apparently capable of both trilinear and 'adaptive trilinear' (as well as bilinear), but the R350-based cards (9700/9800 series) seem only to support trilinear and straight bilinear.

 

[Insomniak]

lol, asking for features that < 1% of ATi's customers use. Yeah, they're going to pour $$ of programming labor into THAT :disgust:

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: VIAN

The 9600 core is *newer* (and different) than the 9700Pro/9800Pro core. It was the first one they built on .13u tech. So it's entirely possible the adaptive trilinear just doesn't exist in the R350 (the most likely explanation, IMO, for why they never implemented it there).

Given your card doesn't even support said feature in the hardware how do you expect ATi to provide such a setting for you?

Did they ever say it was in hardware? I remember they said software algorithm. If it's in hardware, oh well, but this was just to serve as an example of such things that could be customizeable.

I never saw anything from ATI specifically saying it was in hardware, but that was implied by some of their comments during their live chat (something about the driver "selecting the appropriate hardware algorithm" or the like). The 9600 and X800 cards are apparently capable of both trilinear and 'adaptive trilinear' (as well as bilinear), but the R350-based cards (9700/9800 series) seem only to support trilinear and straight bilinear.

Also, if they have it, they would want to use if where they could, and since they do not use it in the R3xx chips, it would suggest that these chips don't have the capability to perform it.

 

[VIAN]

lol, asking for features that < 1% of ATi's customers use. Yeah, they're going to pour $$ of programming labor into THAT

Yeah, it makes no sense to manufacture $500 cards.

 

[rbV5]

Send feature requests to the "Report Catalyst Issues" link in my sig. It will at least get noticed there.

 

[VIAN]

that's what I did.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: VIAN
that's what I did.

:thumbsup: