Valid to you. People here seem to think they are the center of the universe.Originally posted by: Amused
The point went right over your head. I even spelled it out for you in my post and gave valid examples of freedoms/rights lost to socialist policies/"the cost to society" and it still went right over your head.Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The army, education system, post office, fire, and police offices have restricted your rights?Originally posted by: Amused
Quite simply: Because socialist policies invariably lead to a loss of freedoms and/or rights. You cannot have someone else taking care of you without them seeking to limit/control your actions. Especially when that someone are voters.Originally posted by: freegeeks
why it is some so damn hard for people to acknowledge that sometimes lefty or even "socialist" policies (oops, I said the forbidden word) can be successfull? Are you really so wrapped up in your own ideas that it blinds you that maybe, just maybe you can learn something of these evil "socialists"Originally posted by: Vic
IF we were talking free-market-will-solve-anything, you might have a point, but we're not so you don't. My argument has been regarding the differences in scale between Norway and the US, which you have ignored.Originally posted by: freegeeks
typically, you don't answer my questions.
It must really hurt for a convinced free-market-will solve-anything-guy like you, that a country like Norway, where the govt. manages a big part of the economy has citizens who have more money and live longer then you
btw, which lie did I tell and where did I say that the US sucks?
you don't answer questions and you imply things that I never said, a typical Vic thread
With freedom comes risk. Populist/socialist/liberal policies seek to limit that risk. The only way to do that is to, in the end, limit freedom.
We are already well down that road. "The cost to society" (because of socialist programs) has been used as an argument to limit many of our freedoms and rights. From unconstitutional DUI checkpoints to seatbelt/helmet laws. From "fat taxes" to smoking taxes.
In fact, it's the main battle cry in the war on drugs. And we all know the freedoms and rights lost to that.
No thanks. I'll pay for myself and keep my freedom... even if the populist/progressive/liberal thinks he knows better than I do what's good for me.
You do realize that you still have private healthcare in UHCs right? You still have all the choices you want.
Your amazing examples are nonsense. "From unconstitutional DUI checkpoints to seatbelt/helmet laws. From "fat taxes" to smoking taxes."
Things that are unconstitutional get struck down in courts. Everything that the government does has the possible ffect of causing unconsistutional acts and legislation...
You are creating causality where none exists.
Does that mean we should never do anything? Because something might be created that takes a few months to be struck down as unconstitutional?
The gov tried restricting movies, music, videogames, etc etc etc etc. They are all struck down after a time as being unconstitutional. They have nothing to do with "socialist policies".. they are just pandering by the government.... Patriot act, illegal wiretapping.. it is all unconstitutional and not caused by anything "socialist."
Again.. you are linking things that aren't even close to related.
Yeah, waaay over my head! You are right... it is all the socialists faults... Damn socialists! We do nothingwrong.. Only when those commie bastards enter the fray do we do stupid things!