Just checking in. . . Is there a chip under 100$ yet that will be a signifigant upgrade to . . .

[episodic]

A Barton XP 3200 running at 400mhz FSB.


Remember this is the grandaddy Athlon XP chip and so far I have not seen anything under a 100 bucks that woops the snot out of it.

Just checking in to see if I missed anything.

 

[theMan]

an athlon 64 3000+ is like 150, but then you have to do a full upgrade.

 

[episodic]

I was just talking about the chip price. I know about the motherboard upgrade necessity.

Last I heard an Athlon 64 3000+ really wasn't that big of an upgrade.

 

[Mogadon]

No. Like theman said, the A64 Venice 3000+ retails at around $150, and you can pick up a 3200+ at about the same price at Ewiz. You would need a new mobo for sure, maybe new RAM and a new video card if you wanted to go the PCIe route.

If you overclock you should be able to get a 3000+ to at least 2.4GHz and this will give you a significant (20%ish at least) increase as far as I am aware.

You can see what I have running now in my sig. In the near future I will be upgrading to a A64 Venice 3000+/3200+ and when I do i'll be making a thread about it and the performance increases regarding how it 'feels', benchmarks and gaming, so watch out for that and it will hopefully give you an idea about the benefits. I am simply getting a new mobo, RAM and HSF whilst keeping my AGP card.

There are plenty of articles around, search google, with benchmark comparisons regarding the older AXP Bartons and the newer A64's. (I would find some for you but am short on time).

edit, just saw your previous reply - Hehe, in answer to your question then - No.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: episodic
I was just talking about the chip price. I know about the motherboard upgrade necessity.

Last I heard an Athlon 64 3000+ really wasn't that big of an upgrade.

It wouldn't be a large upgrade unless you overclocked it.
If you didn't want to go s939 with a $150 A64, you could always go s754 with a Sempron64 such as this, and you overall costs would be a good deal cheaper while the performance would be 90-95% the same as the A64 3000+.

Either way, you'd definitely have to overclock them both for either to be a good upgrade.

 

[forumposter32]

I'll give you my take on it since I just upgraded from a Duron 1.8 GHz & Ti4200 & 512 MB RAM (now on eBay until Sunday night). I could play UT2004 DM-Curse 4 for example and some other maps on low detail and 800x600 but that was it. I mean, if I played Metalurgy or Tokara Forest etc, it sucked man. I mean, I would even dip under 30 fps and could see the lag.

With my 3400+ 2.4 GHz & X700 Pro & 1 GB RAM, I can change to highest detail and 1280x1024 and still have great frame rates on ALL maps. On http://www23.tomshardware.com you can see the XP 3200+ at 113 fps and 64 3400+ at 151 fps in UT2004.

Anyway, the setup is in my sig. I found the 3400+ at Compuvest for $163 US and it was $270 Canadian with duty and shipping. And the video card was bought with an anti-static wrist strap and was $185 Canadian (with taxes and shipping) from Tigerdirect.ca (the X700 Pro was $135 CDN but $100 US on Tigerdirect.com).

In my opinion, that was the best bang for the buck for UT2004. I'm happy and very relieved.

 

[Hacp]

No. If you have that chip Oced to 2.4 you won't be in for much of an upgrade.

 

[TStep]

This article is one of the best comparisons of AXP mobiles (overclocked of course) to P4 478 to socket 754 that I have seen. It's older, but a little interpolation will line you up with the newest stuff. The degree of difference is highly app dependent.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: TStep
This article is one of the best comparisons of AXP mobiles (overclocked of course) to P4 478 to socket 754 that I have seen. It's older, but a little interpolation will line you up with the newest stuff. The degree of difference is highly app dependent.

Nice article. You can get a similar effect if you compare the 2.4 GHZ XP to a 2.8C. THe 2.4GHZ XP usually beat the 2.8 C but too bad AMD never made one .

 

[TStep]

yeah, Instead of AXP mobiles, I really meant to say AXP @2.4 which is likely around the max the OP will see trying to scape up a little extra perfromance from his XP. Early morning brain fart I suppose.

Edit: I had many systems using both a high fsb oc'd AXP and P4C's at high fsb. Although the performance numbers usually went to the P4C, the AXP seemed a little more responsive. Hard to quantify system "feel". Even price independant, I think the system I like the best from that era was an Epox 8RGA+ that ran up to fsb=230, BH5 tight in the 220's, and an AXP whatever upwards of 2.3 multi unlocked running fsb in the 220's (512 L2 was nicer than 256 by a whisker though).

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: episodic
A Barton XP 3200 running at 400mhz FSB.


Remember this is the grandaddy Athlon XP chip and so far I have not seen anything under a 100 bucks that woops the snot out of it.

Just checking in to see if I missed anything.

Considering your Barton 3200+ XP is not even listed below 100 dollars on pricewatch., this is a very silly not thought out question...

If you got a 3000+ or 3200+ A64 they actually could be weaker in a few things but would do very well in gaming, but not an arse kicking....

Like mentioned Oc the A64's then the performance really goes up...have you tried to OC the Barton???

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: episodic
A Barton XP 3200 running at 400mhz FSB.


Remember this is the grandaddy Athlon XP chip and so far I have not seen anything under a 100 bucks that woops the snot out of it.

Just checking in to see if I missed anything.

Considering your Barton 3200+ XP is not even listed below 100 dollars on pricewatch., this is a very silly not thought out question...

If you got a 3000+ or 3200+ A64 they actually could be weaker in a few things but would do very well in gaming, but not an arse kicking....

Like mentioned Oc the A64's then the performance really goes up...have you tried to OC the Barton???

The price isn't always an indicator of performance (witness Intel). . .

I don't have a good overclocking board unfortuantly.

Thanks for everyone's replies.