Just because something is illegal, is it unethical and immoral?

guapo337

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If you think so.. why?

In my opinion, the law shouldnt just define your life, and therefore your thoughts as to what is ethical, unethical, moral, immoral, right, wrong, etc. We are human beings created free, and meant to live free. Decisions should be made because they are healthy and beneficial to one (either physically, mentally, or emotionally), not because the law states that.

What's your opinion?
 

Eli

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Certainly not.

And I'm glad nobody has voted yes. That would just be sad.
 

lilFajita

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Its impossible, because ethics and morality are based on the individual, whereas laws are based on mass consciousness. This is proven by many things, depending on your point of view: drug laws, abortion laws, even sex laws...
 

Broohaha

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the way the question is phrased, of course not. soviet russia declared all sorts of things illegal but that didnt make them immoral or unethical. wanting to write a newspaper editorial suggesting that the regime should allow more freedom might've been illegal but of course it wasnt immoral.

on the other hand, we all live in a collectivity and there necessarily have to be certain rules and regulations that people must abide by for the common good. sure, you (or some random nutjob) may find it "healthy and beneficial" to set somebody's house on fire but of course that's illegal and immoral.

<peter griffin> stupid. </peter griffin>
 

guapo337

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My friend tried to tell me that breaking the laws involving drug use was unethical and immoral. Hence this thread... I wanted to see if I was that whacked.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: guapo337
My friend tried to tell me that breaking the laws involving drug use was unethical and immoral. Hence this thread... I wanted to see if I was that whacked.

Everybody be damned to hell then.

Christ. I hate stupid people. :p
 

Encryptic

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: guapo337
My friend tried to tell me that breaking the laws involving drug use was unethical and immoral. Hence this thread... I wanted to see if I was that whacked.

Everybody be damned to hell then.

Christ. I hate stupid people. :p

 

dullard

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Originally posted by: lilFajita
Its impossible, because ethics and morality are based on the individual, whereas laws are based on mass consciousness. This is proven by many things, depending on your point of view: drug laws, abortion laws, even sex laws...
My thoughts exactly. Individual morals vary, thus it is impossible to have a law that fits all morals. So that means some laws ban acts that you may find quite acceptable, and other laws allow things that you find immoral. Classic example (and likely to create a major flame war) is abortion.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: guapo337
Im basically talking victimless crime in general..

Realize that not all drug crimes are victimless, mind you, as there are some definate effects on crime by use of some of the more "mind altering" and addictive drugs.
 

isaacmacdonald

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no. law, informed by democracy, is supposed to be utilitarian in nature, rather than a reflection of some sort of platonic collection of values. If morality was directly correlated to legality, law would be in complete stasis-
 

Amused

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No. And, conversely, not all immoral or unethical things are illegal, nor should they be.
 

Turin39789

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"Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust."

"Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. "

"Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

I hope you are able to ace the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.

We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers."


 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: guapo337
My friend tried to tell me that breaking the laws involving drug use was unethical and immoral. Hence this thread... I wanted to see if I was that whacked.

Okay, what about prostitution? It's legal in Nevada, so is it no longer unethical and immoral if I get a hooker there, but it is when I'm home?

BTW, I voted no, he/she is the one that's wacked.
 

bigalt

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a society based on every individual's view of morality simply wouldn't work. as a whole, we (or they, if you want to put it that way) have established a general set of rules of what is okay and what isn't.

if you look for the definition of legal, ethical, and moral, each one of them has a definition that says "conforms to an established code of conduct."

If you're benefiting from other people following a set of rules, I think it is immoral to break them yourself.