Charles Kozierok
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- May 14, 2012
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LOL. "Most people" used to think the world was flat.
This is not about facts, it's about philosophy.
You don't appear to be terribly good at reasoning.
LOL. "Most people" used to think the world was flat.
What's sick about allowing people to earn a living? What's sick about allowing people to determine whether or not they want to provide health services to someone?
It seems like you want a slave society where you can force people to serve interests not of their choosing, much the same way slave owners wanted to force their slaves to serve interests not of their choosing.
"I'm sorry, sir, our network database is offline right now. Our IT department is working on the problem, but they say it could be up to an hour before they've finished restoring the backups. I trust that you have a photo ID somewhere on your person?"I don't see why a person's insurance information can't be on file with every hospital in the country. It's not 1800s, you know. I'm sure hospitals can be left to determine who is capable and not capable of paying for medical services.
Extremist much?Because most Leftists are closet eugenicists, and it was eugenicists (Margaret Sanger and Rockefeller Foundation) who initially created and funded Planned Parenthood.
Leftists love aborted fetuses because they are basically anti-human. They want fewer people on Earth, especially those of the poor and minority class.
:thumbsup:You're really not comparing two control-of-bodies issues here. Abortion choice is a control-of-body issue. Obamacare is really a money/cost/tax issue.
The two would be comparable in the way you suggest if the Democrats passed a law forcing you to actually use healthcare services.
In theory, I agree that nobody should be forced to pay for health insurance. They should decide if they want to pay for it or not, and if they don't pay for it, they should pay out of pocket or go without medical care.
In practice, society doesn't work that way. Many people lack foresight or are unable to make wise choices. Some underestimate the chances of unforeseen circumstances. The truth is that everyone does need medical care at some point, and we as a society are not willing to allow people to die on the hospital steps, so we have laws requiring people to be given care even if they cannot pay. This creates a situation where people have an incentive to free-ride on the system, and to consume medical care in the most expensive way possible. Mandatory healthcare is designed to address this problem.
Note that Romney himself has made this exact argument. That was before he decided it was politically convenient to do a 180 on this issue.
It's really a lot like social security. It was always the case that people who were better off and/or wiser would save for retirement, but some folks would not, or would lose all of their money due to stupidity or bad luck -- and then they'd be screwed. So the government started forcing people to save for retirement, rather than having to deal with either allowing millions of people to live off others' savings, or eat cat food. (The system isn't perfect, of course. Far from it.)
If the system is inefficient due to emergency rooms servicing people who can't pay or won't pay, why not pass legislation that allows emergency rooms to turn away people who either can't or won't pay?
A restaurant won't feed you if you come in hungry and can't or won't pay, so why should hospitals?
How dim. People can die while hospitals try to figure out if they have insurance or not. Nor is it like everybody can afford health insurance under the present system, either.
Other than on the right fringe, it's widely viewed as unethical and immoral for medical providers to allow anybody to die who could be treated, anyway.
It's against the law. I'm a trained first responder and if I'm wearing anything identifying me as such, I'm required to respond and provide help. If not, we're trained there is a moral obligation to help. I'd imagine it's the same for professional responders and doctors.
That's because you live in a decent society.
"Juror No. 8" wants to live in some hypothetical country, let's call it Douchebagia, where medical professionals have no integrity, and someone can be "free" to die in a hospital ER ward because its database says the check for his/her insurance renewal never showed up.
Oversimplification -- so much easier than thinking.
It's against the law. I'm a trained first responder and if I'm wearing anything identifying me as such, I'm required to respond and provide help. If not, we're trained there is a moral obligation to help. I'd imagine it's the same for professional responders and doctors.
How dim. People can die while hospitals try to figure out if they have insurance or not.
Nor is it like everybody can afford health insurance under the present system, either.
Other than on the right fringe, it's widely viewed as unethical and immoral for medical providers to allow anybody to die who could be treated, anyway.
A restaurant won't feed you if you come in hungry and can't or won't pay
That's because you live in a decent society.
LOL, you mean the same society that incarcerates hundreds of thousands of non-violent people for possessing a plant? You mean the same society that bombs, invades, and occupies countries full of brown people on a whim? You mean the same society whose government tested chemical and biological agents on its own citizens without their full, informed consent?
Have a nice flight!
If you really wanted to call out Obama on the hypocrisy of letting people control their own bodies, a better parallel would be the increased prosecution of marijuana dispensaries in states that have legalized medical marijuana. Buying health care isn't limiting the control of your body; prosecuting people who sell a product that is legal in your jurisdiction is.
That's because you live in a decent society.
"Juror No. 8" wants to live in some hypothetical country, let's call it Douchebagia, where medical professionals have no integrity, and someone can be "free" to die in a hospital ER ward because its database says the check for his/her insurance renewal never showed up.
Oversimplification -- so much easier than thinking.
All in all I think Americans are pretty decent to one another in person. The government is not the American people although in theory it should be run by us, not corporate influence. Which is a big part of the problems you mention about it.
Sure, wouldn't flaunt massive amounts of wealth in some areas at night, but this happens anywhere with rampant poverty.
All in all I think Americans are pretty decent to one another in person. The government is not the American people although in theory it should be run by us, not corporate influence. Which is a big part of the problems you mention about it.
Sure, wouldn't flaunt massive amounts of wealth in some areas at night, but this happens anywhere with rampant poverty.
Intarweb feces slinging aside, I do agree that when Americans actually have to engage each other in the flesh and actually look at someones eyes in conversation we can be amazing civil
LOL. Maybe this guy's storm trooper helmet prevented him from actually looking at the eyes of the people he's spraying with chemicals.
That's because you live in a decent society.
"Juror No. 8" wants to live in some hypothetical country, let's call it Douchebagia, where medical professionals have no integrity, and someone can be "free" to die in a hospital ER ward because its database says the check for his/her insurance renewal never showed up.
Oversimplification -- so much easier than thinking.
Of course you have assholes like that in society but to have that incident = all of civilization is disingenuous.