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Russ

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Now serving up 5589Mhz of RC5 whuppin' power. Will be adding another 900Mhz as soon as the dualie setup from Xrayman arrives.:)

On another note: I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that the PPGA Celeron 366 was SMP capable? Is it? I was playing with a pair on a Tyan Tiger and they didn't work. Worked fine individually, and correctly identified, but no boot as a pair.

Russ, NCNE
 
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PPGA 366 is the same core as PPGA 300, which are definitely SMP capable, as I have one humming away right next to me.
 
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Im not really sure, I know some revision of it is, I dont know if there is more then one revision but if there is, there is definitely one that is smp.
 
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dvch

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The PPGA 366 celery needs to be adapted for smp. The BP6 does this via its socket, and slot one boards do this by having the slocket it is mounted in modified.
 
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Russ

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dvch,

The thing is, I was using ASUS S370D's. The "D" stands for dual capable.

Russ, NCNE
 
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Russ, there is a problem w/ Tyan 100 revision B (I believe) working with dual celerons. It's just not a combinable pair :(
 
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Humm, Mika's pproxy is a Tiger 100 Rev. B using dual C450A's without a problem, so it's probably a Rev. A or C366 core issue.:(
 
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Well, I suppose it could be later stepping of the 366s.

What I have for a dual celeron system is 2x 300a @ 450 using MSI 6905 (not Master) in a Gigabyte GA-6BXD.
 
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Russ

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HMM, the rig that's on it's way from Xrayman is the Tyan Tiger and dual 300a's that he's been running at 450.

Russ, NCNE
 
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Russ

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Well, this is actually an 1833, not an 1832. It's the OEM version of the board, so perhaps that capability was disabled at the factory. I'll know for sure when the rig from Xrayman arrives. I'll pop the chips from it on to this board and see what happens.

EDIT: These 366's are very late production, so that could also be it. Anyway, will know soon.

Russ, NCNE
 
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dvch

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It is my understanding that without modifications to the pin outs on all original celerys that they will not do smp. I have 2 300a slot ones that need to be modified; I have on order 2 366@550 ppga in MODIFIED MSI socklets. The reason that the celerons run in smp on Abit BP6s is that Abit modified the pin assignments on that board to allow it.As stated this is my understanding of the celery-smp issue.

Russ-"Please Mr Borg do not assimmulte me.":p
 
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Russ,

I don't have my list handy, but is that rig you are getting from XRAYMAN one of the old WarpCore nodes? If it is, it SHOULD be a retail Tiger 100 RevB just like Mika's.

Why it will not SMP with two 366's is strange though... However, the Tyan bios has some serious quirks in it... You might look to see if the bios is the latest version. When I got the 12 boards fro WC, I didn't flash the latest bios into them, as they didn't need a flash for the 300a's that I used.

Doh.... I read it wrong.... Yo haven't actually tried it on the 1832DL yet.... Gimme a holler if you have trouble with it... I'm typing on the last TWC node right now... still with 300a's, but I'm going to upgrade the processors in it as soon as I can, so I need to find out the highest proc speed that I can put in it (366 is a step in the right direction). :)

If the above doesn't work, I'll help you piddle with it til we figure it out....

Later,
 
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Russ

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dvch,

The slot CPU's do need to be modified. The PPGA version's don't. All they need is a slotket that supports it, and the ASUS S370D does without any modification.

Clay,

Don't know if the board coming from Xrayman came from you. But, once it and the 300a's get here, I'll be able to determine whether it's a motherboard issue, or a problem with the 366's. Of course, I may get impatient and open up my server to try these chips in there.:) It's the 1832 retail version.

Russ, NCNE
 
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cautery

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Ahhh, a fellow 1832 user....

Then perhaps you can help me figure out which processors to get for the upgrade..... Want to max it out while I can (if I can find two identical processors).

Pref PIII so I can use my twin Arctic Circles on them, but would settle for good Celerons....

Of course, I want to overclock them to 112MHz bus... :)

PIII 600's the highest I can go?

Thanks,
 
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Russ

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Clay,

No, it'll go as high as they make as far as the P3 family goes. The multipier isn't relevant because the CPU is locked. I was running a single Celery 566 at 850 earlier with no problem at all on the 1833 board, which I'm sure is an earlier revision than the 1832 I have in the server.

The Celery 566's do not support SMP under any circumstances, though.

EDIT: Additional note; I'm sure the 1833 is an earlier version because I bought it as a refurb. The other is actually the S1832DL, latest revision made.

Russ, NCNE
 
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cautery, I have an 1832DL rev. E and emailed Tyan with the upgrade question. They replied that the Katmai P3 600 was the fastest P3 that the board would support. As for Celerons, according to the processor-support chart at http://www.tyan.com/support/html/pentiumii_iii_ppga.html, the 1832DL supports up to Celeron 466 in Slot1 format.

Now if only I had Rev. F, which supports Coppermine P3's...
 
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Russ, Clay

I still run the two nodes I got from TWC (except one was destroyed by USPS and replaced with an SD1833 oem board(4 PCI, not 5)) and one of the two I got from denali. The other from denali is on its way to you, Russ. Clay, if denali got a node or two this could be one of them but I think its got Intel fans on it. I'd look to see for sure, but just about now that setup should be crossing into South Dakota :D

Geoff
 
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Russ

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mechbgon,

The 1833 I have is a revision B and it's running a Coppermine core Celery 566 at 850 (8.5x100) right now. It identifies it as a P3-600 at bootup, but the CPU is, indeed, running at 850.

Russ, NCNE
 
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cautery

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Right, I understand about the locked multiplier thing of course. I just downloaded the latest BIOS for the board (V2.00.02), and it supposedly will register 850MHz+, but I have to figure out what SMP processor to use that is both SMP capable and will overclock at 112MHz bus speed. I noted the PIII 600MHz since I know it is SMP capable and will likely OC to 672 without much effort.

Isn't the 600 the last 100MHz non-Coppermine processor? I'm pretty sure the Tiger 100 (less than REV F) will not run a Coppermine.

If I am mistaken, someone please correct/enlighten me. If there is a way to run a Coppermine, or there is another processor capable of clocking higher in SMP on this board, I am all ears. :)

BTW, the BIOS flashing instructions say that when using NT, that it might be necessary to re-install the HAL for the machine to recognize the new BIOS..... I certainly hope this is not the case with the Tiger..... Anyone know?

Sorry to get so far off the mark in this Forum.... I'm just trying to get all six of my remaining machines upgraded and back to cracking... ;)

Thanks,


 
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Russ

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Clay,

Yes, the 600 was the last non-Coppermine P3. But, see my post above. The board does work perfectly with Coppermine cores; at least with a single CPU. I don't know about SMP, though.

Russ, NCNE
 
ViRGE

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Clay, great to hear back from you.:) As for your questions, I can't answer very many(only 1 in fact;)). The Tiger 100 is indeed supposed to be incapible of running a CuMine unless it's Rev. F(which is why Mika had to hunt one down).:(
 
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cautery

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OK,

Now is where it gets hazy.... Russ, you say you have that .18 Celly II running in single mode on the 1833.....

Now the question is: If I upgrade to 2.00.02 BIOS to register up to 850+, will the board support dual PIII Coppermines in SMP?

I thought there was a voltage incompatibility running Coppermines on older BX boards.... like that the board would not support a low enough voltage.....

1) Will a Coppermine run OK at 2.0VDC?
2) Will the Tiger go down to Coppermine voltages? (1.65???? or whatever)
3) Is there a Slotket that will support an FC-PGA PIII at the correct voltage on an older board?

Sorry to be so out of it... I haven't been able to keep up on all he tech stuff for a while... too many other projects! ;)

Thanks,
 
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Russ

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Clay,

The board automatically, and correctly, detected the 1.5v that the Celeron 566 uses. Matter of fact, I have Tekram LX chipset boards that also correctly detect the voltage and work with these chips.

The one I'm running at 850 right now, required a bump to 1.7 to be stable, so I just set this up on the slotket.

Bottom line is, voltage is not an issue. It rarely is.

Russ, NCNE
 
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cautery

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Hmmmm, OK.... At that, I think I WILL try Coppermines for the Tiger 100....

But.... Using an Slot-1 PIII, I won't be able to adjust voltage on the Tiger.... So I guess FC-PGA is the ticket....

What's the best FC-PGA to Slot-1 adapter board with voltage adjustments? ..... and SMP capable.... I would assume all FC-PGA adapters are.... but you know what they say about assumptions.... ;)

Thanks yet again....
 
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