Just a thought about bittorrent and piracy

irishScott

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Why is it so prevalent? Seems like it would be easy for the MPAA/whoever to make a deal with the copyright holders (for uploading purposes), anonymously start up their own torrent on a public tracker and catch the various peers who connect. One torrent gets ratted out as a sting, make another one. Hell if the FBI can have agents playing minors in chat rooms 24/7, I'd think a major corporation could pay a few people to just sit around, make anonymous torrents and trace the IPs.
 

Crono

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This is pretty much how they report people to ISPs.

They can handle only so many legal cases against infringers, though.
 

FoBoT

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they do, they setup honeypots

i was just talking to a guy at work, his ISP cut him off and basically told him they get letters from MPAA after they catch people with honeypots
 
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These corporations need to realize that times have changed. Radiohead proved that people are willing to pay about $6 or $7 for an album.

Also, if they stopped manufacturing entertainers like Mariah Carry and Britney Spears, this would not be an issue. Record actual music by bands where the bands support themselves and the albums are simply a way to get their name out there. Spending money on trying to make supergroups or "brand names" is why they will fail. The saving grace of course is that we might get actual music again some day. Even Country these days is just crappy pop music.
 

Modelworks

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It is called entrapment. You cannot wave a bag of crack in front of someone then arrest them if they grab it. They have to come to you first proposing the idea of buying the crack. So the mpaa would need people to go to them suggesting they put up a movie so they can download it before they could press charges.
 

irishScott

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It is called entrapment. You cannot wave a bag of crack in front of someone then arrest them if they grab it. They have to come to you first proposing the idea of buying the crack. So the mpaa would need people to go to them suggesting they put up a movie so they can download it before they could press charges.

But they don't catch you for downloading, they catch you for uploading (since BT goes both ways). Entrapment ceases to apply if you hand someone some crack, and watch them as they sell it IIRC.
 

Modelworks

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But they don't catch you for downloading, they catch you for uploading. Entrapment ceases to apply if you hand someone some crack, and watch them as they sell it IIRC.

They cannot set up their own torrent. They can record IP of people that are already downloading the file from someone unrelated though. In the example the moment you offer someone crack you have entrapped them, they would have to ask you for it first. The idea behind entrapment is to not give someone the idea of committing the crime, it has to be their own. Then you have to prove intent. Just because a file is named something doesn't mean that the file contains what it is named.

I could host a torrent named toy story that was a movie about my kid playing with blocks. That is why they usually target people with multiple offenses, it shows a pattern.
 

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destrekor

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They cannot set up their own torrent. They can record IP of people that are already downloading the file from someone unrelated though. In the example the moment you offer someone crack you have entrapped them, they would have to ask you for it first. The idea behind entrapment is to not give someone the idea of committing the crime, it has to be their own. Then you have to prove intent. Just because a file is named something doesn't mean that the file contains what it is named.

I could host a torrent named toy story that was a movie about my kid playing with blocks. That is why they usually target people with multiple offenses, it shows a pattern.

Precisely, well, at least about the way they handle patterns.

The MPAA and RIAA is learning an individual who has uploaded a single copyrighted work, is easily fought in court. They go after the people who they have traced uploading multiple works. The users who just download also are rarely, if ever, pursued. But, downloading and not uploading in torrents, especially for the typical people who get caught, is something that user just doesn't understand most often. A lot of people use default settings on many different file sharing networks, and that often means many files are getting uploaded or they are uploading while downloading.

I'm curious to know if there are any recorded instances of the RIAA/MPAA going after people who use advanced techniques such as hitch-hiking on specific ports and using RC4 encryption.
 

Nik

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Why is it so prevalent? Seems like it would be easy for the MPAA/whoever to make a deal with the copyright holders (for uploading purposes), anonymously start up their own torrent on a public tracker and catch the various peers who connect. One torrent gets ratted out as a sting, make another one. Hell if the FBI can have agents playing minors in chat rooms 24/7, I'd think a major corporation could pay a few people to just sit around, make anonymous torrents and trace the IPs.

Upping their own torrents on their own host is entrapment.
 

El Guaraguao

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Doesn't matter what the MPAA do to prevent piracy. Sure they can maybe slow the process down, but we, I mean pirates will ALWAYS find a way.

:)
 

DrPizza

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"Upping their own torrents on their own host is entrapment."

Since they own the rights to those files, uploading them to unsuspecting users seems like they're legally giving them away.
 

nutxo

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So when they decide to go after someone how do they know who actually did it? I mean they have an outside IP address . Do the have the mac address as well ? What if 5 people live in a house and one Dls something? Do they sue everyone?
 

Zensal

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Why is it so prevalent? Seems like it would be easy for the MPAA/whoever to make a deal with the copyright holders (for uploading purposes), anonymously start up their own torrent on a public tracker and catch the various peers who connect. One torrent gets ratted out as a sting, make another one. Hell if the FBI can have agents playing minors in chat rooms 24/7, I'd think a major corporation could pay a few people to just sit around, make anonymous torrents and trace the IPs.

Um...if the MPAA put up a movie on a torrent tracker of their own free will, would that not make it a free and legal copy? They own the rights and they are distributing it...
 

zerocool84

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These corporations need to realize that times have changed. Radiohead proved that people are willing to pay about $6 or $7 for an album.

Also, if they stopped manufacturing entertainers like Mariah Carry and Britney Spears, this would not be an issue. Record actual music by bands where the bands support themselves and the albums are simply a way to get their name out there. Spending money on trying to make supergroups or "brand names" is why they will fail. The saving grace of course is that we might get actual music again some day. Even Country these days is just crappy pop music.

Umm fyi Mariah Carey was not manufactured. Mariah Carey and Britney Spears are not even in the same league.
 

KeypoX

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No cops put women on the streets and wait for people to come up and solicite sex for money...

cops also act like hookers, and drug dealers. Its not illegal, if you come to them asking. They can even show you real drugs.
 

Wheezer

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because....it doesn't matter. It's like trying to plug a gaping hole in Hoover dam with bubble gum.

Even IF they some how cripple torrents, there are enough ways out there to get what you want for free that torrents are almost a last option kind of thing.
 

EarthwormJim

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It is called entrapment. You cannot wave a bag of crack in front of someone then arrest them if they grab it. They have to come to you first proposing the idea of buying the crack. So the mpaa would need people to go to them suggesting they put up a movie so they can download it before they could press charges.

Entrapment applies to law enforcement agencies...