Jumping ships. Which high end Intel to use

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

Currently running 1090t @4ishGhz NB @ 3Ghz on a crosshair formula 4. Over the last few weeks i have been getting nic drop outs, system shutdowns as the NB is getting over 90C. The board has already been sent of and repaired and i didn't have a computer for 7 weeks. I planned on getting a new board and chip and was waiting on piledriver but Q3 launch is to far to wait and bulldozer isn't worth my money.

So the question is, with my system it is a gaming/general usage/emergency editting machine. I will be OCing the hell out of whatever i buy which is a consideration.

Choices.

So it's either the 2700k ($341), 3770k ($400) or the 3930k ($621).

Boards of choice are the Asus P8Z77-V deluxe and Asus P9X79 Pro.

Whatever cpu i by will be water cooled.

The rest of my stuff is in the sig.

The 2700k is a good OCer but is SB. (which isn't a bad thing.)
The 3770k is a less of an OCer but has IPC advantage (marginal)
The 3930k has 2 more cores and should OC similar to the 3770k (regarding headroom)

I have generally upgraded on the AMD side freqently (in the last 6 years i've had 3000+, 4400+, 6000+, 6400+, 9500, 9850, x3 720, x4 955, x6 1050T, x6 1090T.) Either they die from aggressive OCing or i get bored with them and get the newest release. I assume i will be less inclinded to do that if i get any of the above listed but i dunno.

I'm not sure which one would be the best. I know platform wise there are not a lot of advatages for x79 but i will be getting a second 7970 so the full 16x pci-e might come in handy.

I'm looking for some other educated Anand readers for thoughts.

Thanks.

Ferzerp · May 30, 2012

3770k has the same price as 2700k. Don't pay more than around $350 for one. $400 is just nuts.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-377...8384099&sr=8-1

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

Sorry. Im in Australia. This is where i buy 99% of my stuff from and is the cheapest i can find in the country. http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=6 .

Those are the prices i have to pay.

Ken g6 · May 30, 2012

What's "emergency editting"? Does it use more than 6-8 threads?

You sound like an experienced overclocker. Do you think you'd be comfortable de-lidding a 3770k, removing the Intel thermal gunk, potentially filing down the edges of the lid slightly, adding nicer thermal gunk, and re-lidding it? That would certainly improve your overclocks.

Ferzerp · May 30, 2012

Ken g6 said:
What's "emergency editting"? Does it use more than 6-8 threads?

You sound like an experienced overclocker. Do you think you'd be comfortable de-lidding a 3770k, removing the Intel thermal gunk, potentially filing down the edges of the lid slightly, adding nicer thermal gunk, and re-lidding it? That would certainly improve your overclocks.

Unless a few weeks later you find yourself where I am, with a suddenly mysteriously hot core (1 of 4) and have to pop it all apart and re-apply everything.

GRR!

Lonbjerg · May 30, 2012

Ken g6 said:
What's "emergency editting"? Does it use more than 6-8 threads?

You sound like an experienced overclocker. Do you think you'd be comfortable de-lidding a 3770k, removing the Intel thermal gunk, potentially filing down the edges of the lid slightly, adding nicer thermal gunk, and re-lidding it? That would certainly improve your overclocks.

That bad TIM was debunked here earlier, the IVB are smaller dies, with a redesign and relocation of sensors...which means you cannot compare it directly to SB...

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

I could do that but it would be my first time. And if it isn't a 100% that will fix IVB heat issues on overclocks (like Lonbjerg says) then im really not that interested in going down that path.

Emergency editing is when the first system in my sig has something happen or something in it dies or doesn't wanna play i can continue to work. It's only happen once but using my gaming machine (the AMD system) saved me a hefty sum from delivering a project late.

Ferzerp · May 30, 2012

Lonbjerg said:
That bad TIM was debunked here earlier, the IVB are smaller dies, with a redesign and relocation of sensors...which means you cannot compare it directly to SB...

Really? Debunked by whom? Because I have a big fat datapoint sitting at my house right now that says that their stock setup works very poorly. (Which I've had an issue with on one of the cores and need to re-do though... Something you'll never see with the stock setup. Of course, my bad core is still the same temp as it was stock, so... no loss there until I fix it).

Lonbjerg · May 30, 2012

Ferzerp said:
Really? Debunked by whom? Because I have a big fat datapoint sitting at my house right now that says that their stock setup works very poorly. (Which I've had an issue with on one of the cores and need to re-do though... Something you'll never see with the stock setup. Of course, my bad core is still the same temp as it was stock, so... no loss there until I fix it).

Right here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2242252

blckgrffn · May 30, 2012

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than a 5% "bonus" for IVB unless power consumption is a concern for you, but either is going to be so much more efficient than the Thuban it will be laughable. Also, sounds like you want a big OC, SB is going to be more satisfying if not actually loads faster in that regard.

I'd just go with 1155, IMHO. It'll crush your current workloads and you can bank the extra towards an early Haswell in about a year.

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

So is the 3930k out of the suggestion even if i plan on putting a second 7970 in the system?

Ferzerp · May 30, 2012

Lonbjerg said:
Right here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2242252

Really? Random forum poster can "debunk"?

That and that is with the IHS totally removed. No one is actually doing that because of the difficulty. We're all taking the paste off, maybe shrinking the gap, and putting some other paste on.

Here, I've re-bunked it for you, since I am a random forum poster as well (that link you posted, once you click through all the citations, is just some random guy). http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2246497 Something has flowed, or shifted in my install and I need to re-do it as you'll see.

blckgrffn · May 30, 2012

bmadd89 said:
So is the 3930k out of the suggestion even if i plan on putting a second 7970 in the system?

Oh, no, probably not. It's an awesome CPU. But is it worth the price? That's all you, man. I say no because it doesn't have 2x the utility to earn its premium, but that is a personal opinion.

Denithor · May 30, 2012

bmadd89 said:
So is the 3930k out of the suggestion even if i plan on putting a second 7970 in the system?

Yes. The PCIe x16 3.0 on Z77/IB provides more than enough bandwidth for Crossfire.

3930K provides 6 cores and the capability to run ridiculous amounts of RAM (8x8GB). If you don't need either of those just go with the much cheaper IB setup.

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

dual 8x pci-e will be fine even with a decent of 1200mhz core and 1600mem?

dinker99 · May 30, 2012

Socket 2011 at least has some sort of upgrade path. I bought an Asus P9X79 Pro and a 3820, which easily matches a 3770K, leaving me the option of a 3930K or IB-E in the future.

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

I thought about the 3820 but you need to rely on the blk adjustment for ocing which isn't massive amount of flexibility. If i went the 2011 route i would get the 3930k straight up. Whats another 300?

blckgrffn · May 30, 2012

bmadd89 said:
I thought about the 3820 but you need to rely on the blk adjustment for ocing which isn't massive amount of flexibility. If i went the 2011 route i would get the 3930k straight up. Whats another 300?

If that is your attitude, then by all means. Go get that big bad chip - it is going to be a huge improvement over your Thuban

ShintaiDK · May 30, 2012

PCIe x8 3.0 will not limit you in any way. And consider 3570K unless you really need those 4 HT threads.

And LGA2011 platform is not the way to go.

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

Its kinda is and isn't. I mean if i can get the OCing rush from the 3770k or 2700k and not limit the crossfire 7970 with the 8x bandwidth then there isn't a point in getting the 2011 chip. If i just wanted that one i wouldn't have asked the question as i would have just gone and bought it.

bmadd89 · May 30, 2012

@ShintaiDK I do need the extra threads. 4 is just not enough if i have to use the system for editing.

Lonbjerg · May 30, 2012

Ferzerp said:
Really? Random forum poster can "verify"?
*snip*

Just saying...

Denithor · May 30, 2012

If you do a lot of editing and your software of choice supports all the threads, go for the SB-E.

Otherwise the i7 3770K will suit you just fine.

And no, PCIe 3.0 x8 is not going to limit dual 7970s:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5458/the-radeon-hd-7970-reprise-pcie-bandwidth-overclocking-and-msaa

Ferzerp · May 30, 2012

Lonbjerg said:
Just saying...

The scenario you linked to isn't even what he was told to do. No one said leave the IHS off (that's not something the casual user should do).

exar333 · May 30, 2012

ShintaiDK said:
PCIe x8 3.0 will not limit you in any way. And consider 3570K unless you really need those 4 HT threads.

And LGA2011 platform is not the way to go.

For editing, it absolutely is.

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