Jugde is pushing hard in NV ATI /AMD price fixing.

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...d-accused-price-fixing

Can't wait for the whole trueth to be told.

 

[The Odorous One]

remember $300, 2 x 1GB memory now $20?

hmmm......$650, GTX 280 for $43? :laugh:

 

[Magusigne]

"Some nine million documents have been put before the court. One, a 2002 e-mail written by Nvidia senior vice president of marketing, Dan Vivoli, to ATI's president and chief operating officer, Dave Orton said: "I really think we should work harder together on the marketing front. As you and I have talked about, even though we are competitors, we have the common goal of making our category a well positioned, respected playing field. $5 and $8 stocks are a result of no respect."

"A jury would like to see this," the judge remarked."


O RLY?

Hmmmm...very interesting...hehe I'm such a pawn.

 

[Aberforth]

Actually rigorously modifying prices to stay in the competition is against the law in US. NV was lying and taking advantage of innocent customers until ATI released a competitive product and then suddenly dropped prices by a large margin, all the stuff they bragged about manufacturing costs etc was a lie, ofcourse they'd tell different stories to the board and the customers. Now things like this always happens in business- nobody ever takes trouble to read the law books. But then again someones bound to get pissed off sooner or later...

 

[shangshang]

None of us in here will get a dime should the plantiff lawyers win.

AMD stock price today is where it was in 2002, so if there was price fixing to boost stock price, then the evidence has been weakened IMO. And in most of 2002, NV stock was in a decline, and it's price today is lower than the start of 2002.

I personally think this is a stupid, bogus, lawsuit. I do not think you innovate technology in the court! I mean look at the sound card industry. As a result of competition, today the only guy left is pretty much Creative (and their crackling sound issue, after 10 years!). So where is the competition here? I just think the lawyers are going after AMD/NV because they're easier to go after than the likes of Intel, MS, the oil companies, phone companies, cable companies, because there is virtually no viable competitions to Intel, MS, phone, cable, companies (as each dominates utterly of the market they are in). And what about the oil companies? Does anyone in here don't think that oil execs don't discuss about fixing prices on a monthly basis when they see each other for a round of golf?

A $200 graphic card (any graphic card) is much more complex and involves more resources to produce and bring to market, than a $200 CPU. Right? What do people think? That "open competition" will enable them to buy them for $100? As I recall, 3D FX (a great innovator) pretty much went out of business because it couldn't produce cheap-enough graphic cards, despite their great technology.

Sorry folks, not interested in lawyers talk. I don't need no stikin lawyers telling me that competition is good for me. They'll after money, no more, no less. They're not out to look after me, I won't see a dime from this. If you don't like AMD/NV cards, go buy S3 or Intel cards... oh wait. Next!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Where have ya been . I bought the r700 for $299. It was the biggest breaktru I can recall. This was the price of the r700. Later same teck ATI CPU's only increased in price while the rest of the industry was lowering cost. Why wasn't their a price war between ATI/NV from the 700pro thru the R600. When both companies were evenly matched. Why is it that after this investagation started AMD/ATI lowered prices closer to the 700pro.

Right now today . The 280 should be selling for less than the 700pro at its opening.

ATI/ NV have gotten caught with the old now ya see it now ya don't trickery. Who cares who collects at the end of the day as long as a wrong is righted thats good enough.

Sticking up for NV when they were preparing to rape and murder your bank accounts is foolish. Don't let marketing groups tell ya nv lowered prices for the good of all . As it's a lie. We all know what happened. Notice in the email from NV to ATI . It wasn't Dave that started this thing. Finnally AMD said not so fast fat boy . Your carring excess bagage our little chip can do. We all know that lead to all of this. We still need lower prices tho.

NV share price less than a year ago was $40 . So the fact that NV put out some bad products well actually a lot of bad products. So they have to take a $200 million+ right down . The fact that ATI has taken the graphics lead . The fact NV is out of the intel chipset business. None of these had to do with NV sudden price drop. I seen this coming a year ago . Just like I seen C2D coming down the tracks thanks to Dothan.

You read the tech sections yet you don't think . I shorted AMD at $39. sold at 5.72.

I shorted NV@ $37 and I am hanging on to it tell just befor NV tanks. Tech is cool . Tech is wonderful . Tech can be rewarding.

 

[Chosonman]

I'm glad I was never foolish enough to spend $600 on a graphics card or buy 2 cards to run them at the same time.

 

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
I'm glad I was never foolish enough to spend $600 on a graphics card or buy 2 cards to run them at the same time.

It isn't foolish if you have the money and want them.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Where have ya been . I bought the r700 for $299. It was the biggest breaktru I can recall. This was the price of the r700. Later same teck ATI CPU's only increased in price while the rest of the industry was lowering cost. Why wasn't their a price war between ATI/NV from the 700pro thru the R600. When both companies were evenly matched. Why is it that after this investagation started AMD/ATI lowered prices closer to the 700pro.

First of all, I don't think R700-based cards are out yet (only RV770, the HD 4850/4870), and there never was an ATI card called the "700pro".

 

[Candymancan]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
I'm glad I was never foolish enough to spend $600 on a graphics card or buy 2 cards to run them at the same time.

I agree, i never spend $600 on video cards lol. The most for me is $400 tops. my 9700pro and 6800GT back then was $400 new, same with my 8800GTS 640 this was along time ago of course.

Its amazing tho how the new cards like the 4870 which i believe is just 1 model under like a GTS was are only $300 new i dont get it. So i belive them when they claim this price thing is going on.

Its the same for CPU's too all the new top of the line cpu's are half the price they used to be.

Oh well, same with memory 4gb of DDR2 is like $80 lol. Im still using DDR1 i want to get 2gb more for 4gb total but 2gb of ddr1 is $80 its just stupid.

Same with LCD monitor's. Remember they were like $350-$450+ for 19" Models, now they are like $250 for the best. Meh whatever

 

[ITPaladin]

Originally posted by: shangshang
I mean look at the sound card industry. As a result of competition, today the only guy left is pretty much Creative (and their crackling sound issue, after 10 years!).

RIP Aureal

They were the best.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: Chosonman
I'm glad I was never foolish enough to spend $600 on a graphics card or buy 2 cards to run them at the same time.

It isn't foolish if you have the money and want them.

Couldn't agree more, there's a reason they're called enthusiast cards but people always seem to forget that and bash it for being horribly inefficient in terms of bang per buck. Same with multi-gpu set-ups really, most people justify not doing it because it doesn't return linear benefits.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: Chosonman
I'm glad I was never foolish enough to spend $600 on a graphics card or buy 2 cards to run them at the same time.

It isn't foolish if you have the money and want them.

And also no one wants to admit they are fools. I am sure it is widely accepted that GT200 isn't worth the money.

 

[boomhower]

Those cards are not produced for most people, they are made less for profit and more for headlines. In theory they have the top dog card then the rest of us underlings will buy their other cards that we can afford. Would I ever buy a $600 card? Nope. I have neither the need nor the money. Would I ever call someone stupid for buying one? Nope, as long as they aren't maxing out credit cards for a bigger e-penis more power to them. Hell I love seeing crazy set-ups. I just don;t get people that bash others just because they can't afford the same.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: boomhower
Those cards are not produced for most people, they are made less for profit and more for headlines. In theory they have the top dog card then the rest of us underlings will buy their other cards that we can afford. Would I ever buy a $600 card? Nope. I have neither the need nor the money. Would I ever call someone stupid for buying one? Nope, as long as they aren't maxing out credit cards for a bigger e-penis more power to them. Hell I love seeing crazy set-ups. I just don;t get people that bash others just because they can't afford the same.

+1 Bugatti Veyron anyone?

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...d-accused-price-fixing

Can't wait for the whole trueth to be told.

Nice nickname