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NeoV

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Senator Frist's amazly brazen bill is up for vote soon, isn't it?

My understanding is that it will not allow any fillibustering for judicial nominees, meaning that democrats, or any opposing party, would not be allowed to effectively block a nominated judge.

Two questions - do I have the basic's understood here?

Unless you are a blatant Bush fanboi, how is this a good thing?
 

conjur

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Is this the nuclear option?

Welcome to authoritarianism.

And to think the GOP was railing against the Dems for at least as much just a dozen years ago. Shameful how absolute power corrupts. Just look at Tom DeLay all but threatening Federal judges and now wanting to impeach the ones that went against his assinine stance on the Schiavo case.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Look on the bright side, if Harry Reid has any cajones he will jam up the Senate so these arseholes can do less damage. I wish they could stifle Bush Exec Orders as well.
 

Buz2b

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Originally posted by: NeoV
Senator Frist's amazly brazen bill is up for vote soon, isn't it?

My understanding is that it will not allow any fillibustering for judicial nominees, meaning that democrats, or any opposing party, would not be allowed to effectively block a nominated judge.

Two questions - do I have the basic's understood here?

Unless you are a blatant Bush fanboi, how is this a good thing?

No, actually you and conjur are both wrong. And you don't even have to be a blatent "Bush fanboi" to realize it. You just have to educate yourself. You think the' nuclear option? is when we talk about ending the Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees? That's not a nuclear option. That's restoring the Constitution. It's the Democrats that are engaging in the nuclear option. The nuclear option is to blow up the Constitution by instituting these filibusters. The Constitution makes allowances for filibusters in a few, specific instances (could be 6 or 7, don't remember right off hand). It does not allow for that during judicial nominations. It's called advise and consent. Period. So, the Democrats are crying foul about changing the rules (when the Republicans are trying to restore them) while at the same time, they are doing just that; changing the rules. Rather ironic if not idiotic. ;)
The are so afraid that the "majority" party is going to run roughshod over the judicial system. Guess what? There is a majority because it was ELECTED. Gee, (pardon the pun), Democracy in action; what a novel thought!?!
What works for one party works for the other too. If they don't stop the filibusters with a rule to uphold the constitution, then the Republicans will just use the same methods when next the Democrats manage a majority. As unlikely and unseemly as that may seem (to us Conservatives), it will no doubt happen sooner or later. That's the way the political winds change from year to year, decade to decade. So, either restore the rule of the Constitution now by ending the filibusters or face the same thing in years to come, when then the Democrats will cry foul because of the very same thing.

This ought to be fun.........:p
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Buz2b
Originally posted by: NeoV
Senator Frist's amazly brazen bill is up for vote soon, isn't it?

My understanding is that it will not allow any fillibustering for judicial nominees, meaning that democrats, or any opposing party, would not be allowed to effectively block a nominated judge.

Two questions - do I have the basic's understood here?

Unless you are a blatant Bush fanboi, how is this a good thing?

No, actually you and conjur are both wrong. And you don't even have to be a blatent "Bush fanboi" to realize it. You just have to educate yourself. You think the' nuclear option? is when we talk about ending the Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees? That's not a nuclear option. That's restoring the Constitution. It's the Democrats that are engaging in the nuclear option. The nuclear option is to blow up the Constitution by instituting these filibusters. The Constitution makes allowances for filibusters in a few, specific instances (could be 6 or 7, don't remember right off hand). It does not allow for that during judicial nominations. It's called advise and consent. Period. So, the Democrats are crying foul about changing the rules (when the Republicans are trying to restore them) while at the same time, they are doing just that; changing the rules. Rather ironic if not idiotic. ;)
The are so afraid that the "majority" party is going to run roughshod over the judicial system. Guess what? There is a majority because it was ELECTED. Gee, (pardon the pun), Democracy in action; what a novel thought!?!
What works for one party works for the other too. If they don't stop the filibusters with a rule to uphold the constitution, then the Republicans will just use the same methods when next the Democrats manage a majority. As unlikely and unseemly as that may seem (to us Conservatives), it will no doubt happen sooner or later. That's the way the political winds change from year to year, decade to decade. So, either restore the rule of the Constitution now by ending the filibusters or face the same thing in years to come, when then the Democrats will cry foul because of the very same thing.

This ought to be fun.........:p

Given that the judicial and executive arms are supposed to be 'arms length', it is surprising if there were no mechanism originally conceived to prevent a transient ruling party from appointing lifetime judges without at least a modicum of bipartisan support.

As far as I know, the judicial arm of government is not supposed to be democratic.
 

Mursilis

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As far as I know, there's no Constitutional provision providing for the filibuster; it's merely a parlimanentary maneuvar. Therefore, I have no real problem with either party eliminating a non-Constitutional rule which prevents any president from doing his/her Constitutional duty - staffing the judiciary.
And how is this 'authoritarianism'? Do judicial nominees still have to be confirmed by a majority of the Senate, or not?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Buz2b
Originally posted by: NeoV
Senator Frist's amazly brazen bill is up for vote soon, isn't it?

My understanding is that it will not allow any fillibustering for judicial nominees, meaning that democrats, or any opposing party, would not be allowed to effectively block a nominated judge.

Two questions - do I have the basic's understood here?

Unless you are a blatant Bush fanboi, how is this a good thing?

No, actually you and conjur are both wrong. And you don't even have to be a blatent "Bush fanboi" to realize it. You just have to educate yourself. You think the' nuclear option? is when we talk about ending the Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees? That's not a nuclear option. That's restoring the Constitution. It's the Democrats that are engaging in the nuclear option. The nuclear option is to blow up the Constitution by instituting these filibusters. The Constitution makes allowances for filibusters in a few, specific instances (could be 6 or 7, don't remember right off hand). It does not allow for that during judicial nominations. It's called advise and consent. Period. So, the Democrats are crying foul about changing the rules (when the Republicans are trying to restore them) while at the same time, they are doing just that; changing the rules. Rather ironic if not idiotic. ;)
Interesting...reading the constitution and amendments does not seem to show what you are talking about here, perhaps you could point it out. In any case, think about what you are saying. You are suggesting that the Democrats (and people for many years before them) are engaging in what amounts to activity not allowed under the constitution. Does that really make sense?

The are so afraid that the "majority" party is going to run roughshod over the judicial system. Guess what? There is a majority because it was ELECTED. Gee, (pardon the pun), Democracy in action; what a novel thought!?!
What works for one party works for the other too. If they don't stop the filibusters with a rule to uphold the constitution, then the Republicans will just use the same methods when next the Democrats manage a majority. As unlikely and unseemly as that may seem (to us Conservatives), it will no doubt happen sooner or later. That's the way the political winds change from year to year, decade to decade. So, either restore the rule of the Constitution now by ending the filibusters or face the same thing in years to come, when then the Democrats will cry foul because of the very same thing.

This ought to be fun.........:p

Ok, this is not complex, please pay more attention in Civics or Government class next time. We do not elect an all powerful majority in this country. Our country is based on the idea of ruling by the majority while PROTECTING THE MINORITY. That is why an opposition party is crucial, or should 49% of the people in the country get screwed over because they aren't the majority?
 

Jhhnn

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The Senate filibuster rules were altered in 1917 to allow a 2/3 majority to end debate. Prior to that, a single Senator could effectively jam up the entire Senate, beginning in 1841. Those rules were altered in 1975 to require only a 3/5 majority to end debate...

Even when Dems controlled both houses and the executive, they never threatened to end the filibuster, something to keep in mind. It's also important to remember that Bush nominees have been confirmed at the highest rate of acceptance for any president in the last 25 years- over 190 confirmed, only 20 rejects... That's a solid "A" in anybody's grade book, except the Repubs- they want it all, no compromise, no bipartisan bullshit, just slap it to 'em 'til they bleed...

No modern federal jurist has ever been confirmed with fewer than 60 Senate votes, iirc, and that's the way it should be. Politicians can be voted out, federal judgeships are for life, so it's very important that appointees be acceptable in a very broad sense, not chosen strictly on the basis of representing the most radical ideology of the party currently in power...

As has been demonstrated over 190 times, bring Dems mainstream Republican nominees, honest conservatives every one, and they'll be confirmed, quietly and without fanfare. Bring party hacks and far right ideologues, and you'll have a fight on your hands.

Where is that bipartisanship that Bush promised on his re-election, anyway? What makes these few nominees so very important that the Repub leadership will bet the farm on their confirmation? Maybe it's the simple fact that they really are party hacks and far right ideologues, that they'd have offered more if more had even vaguely acceptable credentials....
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The Senate filibuster rules were altered in 1917 to allow a 2/3 majority to end debate. Prior to that, a single Senator could effectively jam up the entire Senate, beginning in 1841. Those rules were altered in 1975 to require only a 3/5 majority to end debate...

Even when Dems controlled both houses and the executive, they never threatened to end the filibuster, something to keep in mind. It's also important to remember that Bush nominees have been confirmed at the highest rate of acceptance for any president in the last 25 years- over 190 confirmed, only 20 rejects... That's a solid "A" in anybody's grade book, except the Repubs- they want it all, no compromise, no bipartisan bullshit, just slap it to 'em 'til they bleed...

No modern federal jurist has ever been confirmed with fewer than 60 Senate votes, iirc, and that's the way it should be. Politicians can be voted out, federal judgeships are for life, so it's very important that appointees be acceptable in a very broad sense, not chosen strictly on the basis of representing the most radical ideology of the party currently in power...

As has been demonstrated over 190 times, bring Dems mainstream Republican nominees, honest conservatives every one, and they'll be confirmed, quietly and without fanfare. Bring party hacks and far right ideologues, and you'll have a fight on your hands.

Where is that bipartisanship that Bush promised on his re-election, anyway? What makes these few nominees so very important that the Repub leadership will bet the farm on their confirmation? Maybe it's the simple fact that they really are party hacks and far right ideologues, that they'd have offered more if more had even vaguely acceptable credentials....

Rigid idealogues don't like facts Jhhnn only rhetoric and misinformation. If the dems wer'nt such wimps they would cram even more of these nut jobs down thier throat and brag about it, make thier case just how the Rupubs are screwing America. They are not very good at that type confrontational thing like the R's though. Probably DLC influence corrupting the oppositional party with thier continual "compromises". DINOs.
Well Dinosaurs are extint like the Demo are about to be if they don't play hard ball.
 

illustri

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i liked mel gibson's filabuster in mr. smith goes to washington

/all in favor, say die
 

DaveSimmons

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Government at many levels has the idea of "supermajorities" being needed for some of the more important decisions like property tax levies and amendments to charters or consititutions.

Perhaps because I'm independent, I think requiring a supermajority is a good idea for lifetime judicial appointments regardless of which party currently has the simple majority.

Republicians used filibusters during the Clinton years to prevent appointing judges they felt were too far left, now Democrats use it against judges they feel are too far right. Sanity prevails over the crazies at both edges of the spectrum.
 

Buz2b

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Rainsford, let's deal with this quote of yours:
Ok, this is not complex, please pay more attention in Civics or Government class next time. We do not elect an all powerful majority in this country. Our country is based on the idea of ruling by the majority while PROTECTING THE MINORITY. That is why an opposition party is crucial, or should 49% of the people in the country get screwed over because they aren't the majority?
Weren't you awake during the last election? We DID elect a majority. Yes, the minority is provided protections under the constitution but we are still a country of majority rule with checks and balances included to provide that protection. A filibuster is not a check or balance.
As to your next remark:
Interesting...reading the constitution and amendments does not seem to show what you are talking about here, perhaps you could point it out. In any case, think about what you are saying. You are suggesting that the Democrats (and people for many years before them) are engaging in what amounts to activity not allowed under the constitution. Does that really make sense?
Oh yes, it does make sense if you look at what politicians have been doing for 200 years. Since when does a little thing like "you can't do that" stopped a politician from EITHER party? ;) As to questions earlier about the constitution, here's a quote from MR. STEVEN CALABRESI Professor of Law Northwestern University Law School.
The U.S. Constitution was written to establish a general presumption of majority rule for congressional decision-making. The historical reasons for this are clear. A major defect with the Constitution?s precursor, the Articles of Confederation, was that it required super-majorities for the making of many important decisions. The Framers of our Constitution deliberately set out to remedy this defect by empowering Congress to make most decisions by majority rule. The Constitution thus presumes that most decisions will be made by majority rule, except in seven express situations where a two-thirds vote is required. The seven exceptional situations where a super-majority is required include: overriding presidential vetoes, ratifying treaties, approving constitutional amendments, and expelling a member.
That's what I was talking about when saying the filibuster is "allowed" in some situations. It invokes the super majority rule, which is what is covered in the constitution. The historical accuracy of the above comment can be easily confirmed.
And DaveSimmons, your quote:
Perhaps because I'm independent, I think requiring a supermajority is a good idea for lifetime judicial appointments regardless of which party currently has the simple majority.
That's fine, if you can change the rules. They haven't as yet so trying to require that is simply wrong. Actually, to change the rule to require a super majority for judicial nomines would most likely require a constitutional ammendmant. Congrats though, you are one of the few to mention the "goings on" during the judicial confirmation process under Clinton by the Republicans. Actually, to be more accurate it was what they did with the committees, more so than any filibustering of any consequence. BTW, I think that was just as wrong but it (slowing the committee review process) was allowed by rules that are still in place.
As to those that still think it is the Republicans that are pursuing the nuclear option, here's a bit more to "chew on".
In article 2, section. 2., clause 2 it says that the president "... shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint ? Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States". Pretty clear there that the Senate is merely in a position of giving or withholding consent to seat a judicial nominee on the bench. The Constitution says nothing about committees to hear the qualifications of the nominees first nor does it mention any ability that the Senate might have to block those nominees. It is quite clear that all they can do is say "yea" or "nay". And for most of the 200 years, that has been what has happened. An up or down vote, a yes or a no.
But, even if that were not the case and one might be able to imagine some scenario where the Constitution does sanction filibusters of judicial nominations. The Constitution says that the Senate may create it?s own rules for its proceedings. However, upon further review..............
Article 1, section. 5. , clause 2 says: "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings".
So, even if the Republican controlled Senate decided to quash the filibuster, it is entirely Constitutional to do so. If you don't like the game the way it is played, blame the voters who elected and increased the numbers of the majority party; enabling them to quash the unconstitutional application of super majority rule in the judicial confirmation process.
 

Zebo

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Buz2b, American Might be a Republican Democracy in that our leaders ultimatly derive thier power from majority rule. But the way the constitution is written, our general ideals, are to protect the minority viewpoint. You've heard the phase about pure democracy "it's like asking two wolves and a sheep what they want for dinner" Well, the filibuster option is the sheeps vote. Important if you ask me no matter which side you sit.
 

Jhhnn

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Nice try, Buz2b, but you ignore the fact that unlike the HOR, the Senate is a continuing body- that they are bound by the rules of the past, that they don't start from square one every time they convene. You echo the disinformation of the current Repub leadership as to what the rules actually are, and how they came to be that way.

So, if the Repubs can muster 66 votes (not just 60) to change the filibuster rules, they're welcome to do so... otherwise, they're breaking their own rules... it's all here-

http://interactive.pfaw.org/pdf/1975memo.pdf

Not that it means much to the current Repub leadership, guys who only wear the disguise of "Conservative"
 

Zebo

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J Whats the diff betwen 60 and 66? I often hear both fiqures used in context of breaking a filibuster..what's the deal?
 

glenn1

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Nice try, Buz2b, but you ignore the fact that unlike the HOR, the Senate is a continuing body- that they are bound by the rules of the past, that they don't start from square one every time they convene. You echo the disinformation of the current Repub leadership as to what the rules actually are, and how they came to be that way.

So, if the Repubs can muster 66 votes (not just 60) to change the filibuster rules, they're welcome to do so... otherwise, they're breaking their own rules... it's all here-

http://interactive.pfaw.org/pdf/1975memo.pdf

Not that it means much to the current Repub leadership, guys who only wear the disguise of "Conservative"

Unfortunately, many in this thread seem to be unable to seperate that which is constitutionally permissable from what is a good idea. Yes, this rule change could pass and it would be constitutional. Whether it's a good idea or good politics is another question altogether.

Also, for the Democrats out there, I'm not sure that fighting this is necessarily in your best interest. If push comes to shove the President could recess appoint anyone he wanted. Sure you may not like the idea of some of the judges you're fillibustering, but I think you'd like the idea of a recess appointment of a US Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Bork even less. That's the REAL nuclear option.
 

Zebo

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you'd like the idea of a recess appointment of a US Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Bork even less.

You'd be surprised but Bush would never nominate him either. Jerry fallwell is more along his lines.
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The Senate filibuster rules were altered in 1917 to allow a 2/3 majority to end debate. Prior to that, a single Senator could effectively jam up the entire Senate, beginning in 1841. Those rules were altered in 1975 to require only a 3/5 majority to end debate...

Even when Dems controlled both houses and the executive, they never threatened to end the filibuster, something to keep in mind. It's also important to remember that Bush nominees have been confirmed at the highest rate of acceptance for any president in the last 25 years- over 190 confirmed, only 20 rejects... That's a solid "A" in anybody's grade book, except the Repubs- they want it all, no compromise, no bipartisan bullshit, just slap it to 'em 'til they bleed...

No modern federal jurist has ever been confirmed with fewer than 60 Senate votes, iirc, and that's the way it should be. Politicians can be voted out, federal judgeships are for life, so it's very important that appointees be acceptable in a very broad sense, not chosen strictly on the basis of representing the most radical ideology of the party currently in power...

As has been demonstrated over 190 times, bring Dems mainstream Republican nominees, honest conservatives every one, and they'll be confirmed, quietly and without fanfare. Bring party hacks and far right ideologues, and you'll have a fight on your hands.

Where is that bipartisanship that Bush promised on his re-election, anyway? What makes these few nominees so very important that the Repub leadership will bet the farm on their confirmation? Maybe it's the simple fact that they really are party hacks and far right ideologues, that they'd have offered more if more had even vaguely acceptable credentials....

:thumbsup:
 

Buz2b

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So, if the Repubs can muster 66 votes (not just 60) to change the filibuster rules, they're welcome to do so... otherwise, they're breaking their own rules... it's all here-

http://interactive.pfaw.org/pdf/1975memo.pdf

Not that it means much to the current Repub leadership, guys who only wear the disguise of "Conservative"[/quote]

LOL!!! Are you kidding?! For those that haven't looked at the "source" of Jhhnn's supposed reply, let me quote the first part so that you can get a better perspective on it:
Proponents of a ?Nuclear? Strategy to Force Changes in Senate Filibuster Rules
Misrepresent What Happened When the Rules Were Changed in 1975


Some senators and right-wing advocates, apparently demanding that the Senate approve every single one
of the Administration?s right-wing judicial nominees, . . . . .
{etc ad nauseum).
What a joke! As hard as they try to make it look like they quote "facts", it's both out of context and pieced together to suit their argument. As you would say Jhhnn, nice try! I'll get back to your other point in a moment.
Quote from Zebo
Buz2b, American Might be a Republican Democracy in that our leaders ultimatly derive thier power from majority rule. But the way the constitution is written, our general ideals, are to protect the minority viewpoint. You've heard the phase about pure democracy "it's like asking two wolves and a sheep what they want for dinner" Well, the filibuster option is the sheeps vote. Important if you ask me no matter which side you sit.
No, the filibuster option is neither a vote nor a protection of anyone's rights.This is a direct violation of the Advice and Consent Clause, which clearly contemplates only a majority vote to confirm a judge. Raising the vote required to confirm a judge will weaken the power of the President in this area in direct violation of the Constitution while augmenting the power of a minority of the Senate. Giving a minority of Senators a veto over judicial nominees will also threaten the independence of the federal judiciary in direct violation of the separation of powers. The properly written rules of the Constitution, including the "checks and balances therein, is the sheep's vote.

One more time:
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice try, Buz2b, but you ignore the fact that unlike the HOR, the Senate is a continuing body- that they are bound by the rules of the past, that they don't start from square one every time they convene. You echo the disinformation of the current Repub leadership as to what the rules actually are, and how they came to be that way.
No Jhhnn, I'm not. To be exact, I am echoing SENATE RULE V, STANDING RULES OF THE SENATE, S. DOC. NO. 106-15, 106th Cong., 2d Sess. 4 (2000). Senate Rule V declares that these rules are perpetual: ?The rules of the Senate shall continue from one Congress to the next Congress unless they are changed as provided in these rules.? (Interpretation provided by the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy). So, even though the rules are perpetual, they can and have been changed. In addition, (from the same source), "Periodically, a majority has exercised the Senate?s constitutional rulemaking power to establish new precedents altering Senate procedure. For example, a majority has established precedents to limit members? capacity to offer dilatory amendments, to propose legislative amendments to appropriations bills, to debate motions to proceed to nominations, and to use dilatory tactics to disrupt roll call votes. Likewise, a current majority could exercise the constitutional option to set a precedent altering the Senate?s procedures governing debate. A Senator could allow debate to proceed for an extended period of time and then raise a point of orderthat debate had continued long enough, that any further debate would be dilatory, and that a vote must be taken within a designated time frame. The Presiding Officer could rule in favor of the point of order, and a majority could table any appeal from his ruling. This would establish a precedent limiting the length of time for debate that would bind all future Senates (unless overturned by a majority)."

 

Jhhnn

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It's in the linked .pdf, above, Zebo. 2/3 to invoke cloture on Senate rules changes, 3/5 on general business. Obviously, what the Repubs contemplate is a change to the Standing Rules of The Senate, article XXII.... thus requiring a 2/3 vote in favor...

As for Buz2b, attacking the source w/o addressing the argument isn't really an acceptable tactic- do you deny the chronology provided as to what actually happened in 1975? Or contend that the facts are otherwise? If not, the source is immaterial.

It's also convenient that you actually bolded the rule in question, which states that the Senate has to follow their own rules to change the rules, followed by an obfuscative argument to the contrary, even if that argument comes from a seemingly credible source. What is the current rule? A 2/3 majority is required to change the rules. Plain and simple, cut and dried, black and white, rule XXII... paragraph 2, to be precise...

As I said, this doesn't matter to the Repub leadership, who are all for showing the public just how they define "bipartisanship" and "tradition", echoing their true regard for "morals" and "values", now that they've restore "honor and dignity" to the Whitehouse...

Here's what Harry Reid has to say about it, something that Repubs should take into consideration before attempting anything truly stupid-

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031605A.shtml
 

judasmachine

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what happens if the dems take over in the next set of elections? they will be able to stop the repub minority. these are stupid as they can and will come back to bite you in the arse.
 

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Contact your legislators.
I e-mailed Maine?s Republican Senators (both of whom I have voted for incidentally) and sent the following statement:
I am contacting you to express my absolute dismay at Senator Frist's attempt to remove the filibuster rules from the judicial selection process.
Mr. Frist is an extremist and should not be supported in his radical agenda to pepper the courts with his hand selected ideologues. The recent case of Terri Shiavo should not have been a national issue and is further evidence the current administration would like to have total control over all American's personal lives.
I urge you to not support any bill removing the filibuster rules from the judicial selection process.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't think that the Repub leadership is concerned about that, at all, judasmachine. The blocked nominees are mostly to the appeals courts, and are a warmup for an assault on the independence of the SCOTUS. If they can lapdog the Supreme Court, then they'll have their way regardless of the will of the Electorate or the makeup of the Congress... Which is why it's very important that they be stopped...

It's also very important for the Repubs to avoid the appearance of invoking a naked power play- it all has to be neat and tidy, seemingly by the book, which is impossible, but they're trying to make it seem that way... I doubt that Frist actually has the necessary votes to even obtain a majority on changing the rules, so he needs for this agitprop campaign to be successful to sway public opinion, bring the holdouts over to his side...

The Senate has the right and the responsibility to make their own rules within the Constitutional framework.

Current rules exist within that framework, and have been little changed since 1917.

The rules must be followed to change the rules... kindof a catch-22 for the Repubs, so I guess we'll have to see that naked power play, or call the wahmbulance, one or the other...