Judge's statment: "all officers lied on the stand today"

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A seemingly routine suppression hearing in a suburban Chicago courthouse last month took an unexpected dramatic turn when video from a police car was introduced that disproved the testimony of five police officers.


They had said Joseph Sperling was arrested after officers who pulled him over in a traffic stop smelled marijuana, searched the vehicle and found nearly a pound in a backpack lying on the back seat of his car. But the Glenview police video showed the search occurred only after Sperling was taken from his car, frisked and handcuffed, reports the Chicago Tribune (sub. req.). The newspaper dubbed it "a 'Perry Mason' moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom."

Castigating the officers for their "outrageous conduct," Cook County Circuit Judge Catherine Haberkorn granted a defense motion to suppress the search, which eliminated a basis for his arrest and resulted in a swift dismissal by prosecutors of the felony drug case against the 23-year-old.

"All the officers lied on the stand today," said Haberkorn, who herself is a former prosecutor, at the March 31 hearing. "So there is strong evidence it was conspiracy to lie in this case, for everyone to come up with the same lie."

The officers were later put on desk duty as investigations of their conduct proceed.

The Tribune says the Glenview arrest of Sperling last June came at the request of Chicago narcotics officers who had Sperling under surveillance. They asked local police to pull him over in a marked car, which occurred when Sperling allegedly failed to use his turn signal (he says he did). Then, one of the Chicago officers testified, he smelled marijuana as he waited for Sperling to produce his license and registration. Sperling testified he was never asked to do so.

The officer, supported by testimony from four other Chicago and Glenview officers, said he ordered Sperling to exit the vehicle and stand by the trunk as he searched it. However, the video shows the search didn't occur until after Sperling was sitting, handcuffed, in a police car.

Another discrepancy in testimony concerned the location of the backpack in which the marijuana was located: Police said it was in plain view on the back seat of the car. Sperling said it was under the seat.

If not for the video, which Sperling's lawyer Steven Goldman got by issuing a subpoena to the Glenview police department, and produced in rebuttal at the suppression hearing, Sperling likely would have been convicted and jailed, the attorney told the newspaper.

Now Sperling has filed a federal civil rights suit over his arrest.

Link to article here
 

ussfletcher

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Once again the tax payers will be stuck footing the bill for police misconduct, while the officers are merely given a slap on the wrist.
 

JEDIYoda

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Why is it that as some of us get older we have grown to dislike police and what they stand for?? Yet growing up we were told by our parents the Police are your friends...
 

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Why is it that as some of us get older we have grown to dislike police and what they stand for?? Yet growing up we were told by our parents the Police are your friends...

Your parents also told you about the Easter bunny.
 

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Yes, they did lie. They cuffed him first. Not sure why they would lie, but it seems like they were protecting a witness who tipped them off.

Did everyone forget that he had a pound of weed? He is still at best a mule, and more likely a drug dealer, and now he walks so he can peddle that crap another day.
 

Knowing

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I care considerably less about 1lb of weed than I do about 5 cops lying in a court room.

This OMGZOR DURGS and WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN nonsense has been going on long enough.
 

Gerle

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Yes, they did lie. They cuffed him first. Not sure why they would lie, but it seems like they were protecting a witness who tipped them off.

Did everyone forget that he had a pound of weed? He is still at best a mule, and more likely a drug dealer, and now he walks so he can peddle that crap another day.

Yes he had a pound of weed, but they violated so many rules. They could have done everything the right way, and he would then not be walking. That's their fault, you should blame them, not the judge, she is protecting all of us and our rights. Unfortunately he got away this time, but I'm sure he'll mess up again. Hopefully the cops that get him next time are more competent.
 
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Happens all the time. Even if one of these guys is a good cop, if he doesn't back his fellow gangsters he will effectively be pushed out of his department and if anyone calls for a reference they will tell the other department about how he "rolled" on his brothers.


As an aside, I am AMAZED that they were able to get that dashcam footage when they all knew they were going to lie about it.

Find out how long your local LEO policy is on keeping dashcam footage nowadays... Most of them are less than 48 hours.

This means that by the time you get an attorney involved you are past their time limit and the footage will 'no longer be available'. They claim this is due to technological limitations.


UNLESS it exonerates a gang member in blue. Then they can seemingly go back years and get the footage.

I have personally seen a situation where someone requested the footage 5 days after a traffic stop and it was unrecoverable. The guy was found guilty. He then sued the city over his treatment during arrest due to a tendon being pulled in his wrist.

This was something like 18 months after the fact. They miraculously pulled the dashcam footage and used it during one of the hearings to help exonerate the officer.
 
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Yes he had a pound of weed, but they violated so many rules. They could have done everything the right way, and he would then not be walking. That's their fault, you should blame them, not the judge, she is protecting all of us and our rights. Unfortunately he got away this time, but I'm sure he'll mess up again. Hopefully the cops that get him next time are more competent.


Unfortunately this is not how many officers look at things.

If they "know he's guilty" they don't give a shit about court proceedings or due process.

They will plant/destroy evidence, lie, anything possible to help get a conviction.

For anytime you interact with a LEO I very much suggest you learn how to record video without unlocking your phone. If your state allows it (or IMO even if they don't) hit record and put your phone face down somewhere just in case you need the recording.
 
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We should just legalize Marijuana and other drugs and end this mess. Then we should seize money and assets from those who enforced the drug laws and use it to pay restitution to people convicted of drug crimes.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Unfortunately this is not how many officers look at things.

If they "know he's guilty" they don't give a shit about court proceedings or due process.

They will plant/destroy evidence, lie, anything possible to help get a conviction.

For anytime you interact with a LEO I very much suggest you learn how to record video without unlocking your phone. If your state allows it (or IMO even if they don't) hit record and put your phone face down somewhere just in case you need the recording.

The best thing to do is not violate the law, the vast majority of law abiding Americans have zero involvement with LEOs.
 
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The best thing to do is not violate the law, the vast majority of law abiding Americans have zero involvement with LEOs.


These situations happens all the time with law-abiding citizens.

Countless stories of people with drugs planted on them, or cash illegally seized with the amounts misrepresented, of BAC levels being falsified, of an innocent person perceived as "talking back" and beaten to a pulp, and on and on and on.

Pretty scary that in your mind it's ok for them to behave that way to supposed "non law violators".
 

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Similar case in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw

Watch the whole thing, it's even worse. The judge was in on it, and tried to have the sheriff arrest him in the courthouse for getting his hands on the police recording. Then the sheriff arrived and told the judge "I can't arrest him for that". At the end the prosecutor straight up tells him that police lie to convict people regularly, that they are the gestapo, and that he got lucky this time.
 
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Similar case in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw

Watch the whole thing, it's even worse. The judge was in on it, and tried to have the sheriff arrest him in the courthouse for getting his hands on the police recording. Then the sheriff arrived and told the judge "I can't arrest him for that". At the end the prosecutor straight up tells him that police lie to convict people regularly, that they are the gestapo, and that he got lucky this time.


B-b-b-buh buh bbuh but this only happens to criminals!!

Again, amazed they didn't "lose" the dashboard cameras.


These gangsters are smart nowadays. They "roll over" the video if it incriminates them.
 

zod96

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Glad they got this loser off the street. One less drug dealer.....
 

Londo_Jowo

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These situations happens all the time with law-abiding citizens.

Countless stories of people with drugs planted on them, or cash illegally seized with the amounts misrepresented, of BAC levels being falsified, of an innocent person perceived as "talking back" and beaten to a pulp, and on and on and on.

Pretty scary that in your mind it's ok for them to behave that way to supposed "non law violators".

Sure it does :rolleyes:

All cops are bad and all people are innocent......gotcha

Well of course unless they're wearing a hoodie in deep cover.
 

Knowing

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Sure it does :rolleyes:

All cops are bad and all people are innocent......gotcha

Well of course unless they're wearing a hoodie in deep cover.

Everyone is presumed innocent until convicted in a court of law. If the officers had obeyed the law, the criminal probably would have been convicted. Ergo, in this case where the cops were criminals another alleged criminal went free.

I don't know how anyone could be on the side of the confirmed law breakers in this instance, especially if they're in favor of jailing nonviolent drug offenders. All they had to do was follow the rules.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Everyone is presumed innocent until convicted in a court of law. If the officers had obeyed the law, the criminal probably would have been convicted. Ergo, in this case where the cops were criminals another alleged criminal went free.

I don't know how anyone could be on the side of the confirmed law breakers in this instance, especially if they're in favor of jailing nonviolent drug offenders. All they had to do was follow the rules.

Please show me where I was supporting what these officers did.

Then show me where this is the norm for LEO rather than a outlier.
 

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Yes, they did lie. They cuffed him first. Not sure why they would lie, but it seems like they were protecting a witness who tipped them off.

Did everyone forget that he had a pound of weed? He is still at best a mule, and more likely a drug dealer, and now he walks so he can peddle that crap another day.

OH NO! A pound of weed!!!!! The devil walks on Earth and carries his demon mind control plant in duffle bags!
 

Knowing

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Please show me where I was supporting what these officers did.

Then show me where this is the norm for LEO rather than a outlier.

Please show me where I suggested you did support what the officers did, I said I didn't know how anyone could. More and more of these cases are making the news cycle since the technology to record the authorities became available. We can't possibly have stats on how prevalent it is until we collect the information. Whether it's a norm or an outlier is not significant with regard to this specific instance since everything shook out properly.