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Judge Strikes Down Calif. Marriage Law

Baked

Lifer
SF Gate
Monday, March 14, 2005

Court invalidates California's ban on same-sex marriage

Gay and lesbian couples in California have a constitutional right to marry, a San Francisco Superior Court judge ruled Monday.

The ruling by Judge Richard Kramer is just the first step in a case that is headed for the state Supreme Court, probably sometime next year. But it marks the first time that a California judge has declared unconstitutional the state law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

"I never thought I would see it in my lifetime," a jubilant Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said outside the courthouse. "It's an amazing day for justice, an amazing day for lesbian and gay families."

The ruling comes more than a year after about 4,000 same-sex couples exchanged marriage vows at San Francisco City Hall after Mayor Gavin Newsom ordered that the city clerk issue them marriage licenses. The state Supreme Court declared the marriages invalid last August and ruled that Newsom had exceeded his authority in giving the marriages the go-ahead.

Monday's ruling did not revive those marriages but - if it stands - will allow same-sex couples to marry in the future. Currently, only Massachusetts allows same-sex couples to wed. A trial judge in New York has ruled that state's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional. That decision is on appeal, and a decision on same-sex marriage is pending in Washington state.

In his 27-page decision, Kramer - an appointee of former Gov. Pete Wilson, a Republican - said the state's ban on same-sex marriage violates "the basic human right to marry the person of one's choice," and has no rational justification.

Rejecting California Attorney General Bill Lockyer's argument that California is entitled to maintain the traditional definition of marriage, Kramer said the same explanation was offered for the state's ban on interracial marriage, which was struck down by the state Supreme Court in 1948.

The judge also rejected arguments by opponents of same-sex marriage that the current law promotes procreation and child-rearing by a husband and wife. "One does not have to be married in order to procreate, nor does one have to procreate in order to marry," Kramer said.

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Looks like you're legally married to your gay/lesbian lover again.
 
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.
How does applying the 14th Amendment rewrite marriage?
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.

Although I do agree with you, how is he rewriting the definition of marriage? Its always been between a man and a women.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.
How does applying the 14th Amendment rewrite marriage?
the judge didn't apply the 14th amendment
 
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

There is a difference. Judges don't write the legislation, Congress and lawmakers do that. The judges can strike down those laws as unconstitutional. That != rewriting a law.

The laws have always been sent back to the legislature.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.
How does applying the 14th Amendment rewrite marriage?
the judge didn't apply the 14th amendment

"the basic human right to marry the person of one's choice," sort of touches on it. It's going to come down to application of the 14th amendment when this finally reaches the SCOTUS one day.
 
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:

But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:

But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.
Care to point out where in the Constitution marriage is defined as between man and woman?
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Yay....Judge rewrites the laws once again like they always seem to do now a days, when they are supposed to have NO POWER to do so.
Also nice to see them rewriting definitions of words such as Marriage. Oh and wrong forum... P&N.
:roll:

He just declared it (in his opinion, within his jurisdiction) that the law is unconstitutional. His ruling will be recorded and used in further proceedings and trials on this topic. That's how the judicial system works.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:

But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.

How exactly do you think the system of checks and balances is supposed to work?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:

But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.
Care to point out where in the Constitution marriage is defined as between man and woman?

Isn't that was Bush was trying to pass, a constitutional amendment making marriage between a man and a woman? I might be wrong.
 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:
But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.
Care to point out where in the Constitution marriage is defined as between man and woman?
Isn't that was Bush was trying to pass, a constitutional amendment making marriage between a man and a woman? I might be wrong.
Ayup. He flip-flopped about 3-4 times on whether he was going call for an amendment or not. He finally gave up, for now, when he realized the Senate wasn't going to pass any such amendment. It was pretty much a Rovian bait-and-switch to get the fundies' vote. They've written letters to Bush/Rove stating their displeasure at the lack of effort being put into passing such an amendment now.

Awww...the poor bigots.
 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: TheBDB
He's not rewriting a law. He's declaring a law unconstitutional.

:thumbsup:

But how is it Unconstitutional then? Marriage is between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. He is basically creating his own def of marriage to apply here to call it unconstitutional then.
Care to point out where in the Constitution marriage is defined as between man and woman?

Isn't that was Bush was trying to pass, a constitutional amendment making marriage between a man and a woman? I might be wrong.

yes, and this is why it's going to happen...
 
<sigh> government should get out of the marriage business all together. Let the churches and/or justices of the peace handle it.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
So much for democracy... who cares what the people vote, right?
That's why we're a Representative Republic with separate Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. It's to prevent the minority from being repressed by the majority.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Ayup. He flip-flopped about 3-4 times on whether he was going call for an amendment or not. He finally gave up, for now, when he realized the Senate wasn't going to pass any such amendment. It was pretty much a Rovian bait-and-switch to get the fundies' vote. They've written letters to Bush/Rove stating their displeasure at the lack of effort being put into passing such an amendment now.

Awww...the poor bigots.

Heh... what does Bush care? He's not eligible to be prez again anyhow, and this just frees up the option for his successor to stand up and proudly say "I'm gonna do something about this damned queer agenda once and for all!"
And then promptly fail to follow through with it once more...
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
<sigh> government should get out of the marriage business all together. Let the churches and/or justices of the peace handle it.
Uh...who do you think justices of the peace are? 😛
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Vic
So much for democracy... who cares what the people vote, right?
That's why we're a Representative Republic with separate Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. It's to prevent the minority from being repressed by the majority.
Amen. If the people suddenly voted to take the top 10 richest people in the country, strip all their wealth, and then divy it amongst the rest of it, that wouldn't be very fair.

The whole no-gay marriage thing is just oppression, and it's got no place in a progressive country.

 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Queasy
<sigh> government should get out of the marriage business all together. Let the churches and/or justices of the peace handle it.
Uh...who do you think justices of the peace are? 😛

I know I know...bad example. I was trying to think of a good secular example and that was the best I could come up with. 😀
 
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