Judge: School must remove prayer banner

[DrPizza]

No its been twisted by liberals and liars like the ACLU.

how does having this sign establish a religion?

it doesn't.

The only people bothered are those that want to get rid of religion, and impose their own atheistic belifs

Wrong. Buddhists don't believe in "Our heavenly father." Ditto Scientologists, Hinduists, indigenous beliefs, Chinese traditional beliefs, etc. This clearly promotes Abrahamic religions over all the others, which, plus Atheism, are nearly 50% of the world's population.

 

[CitizenKain]

anti-religion libersan like you and the aclu promote atheism by banning relgion from school. Imposing your anti-religion belifes.


Finally. seperation of church and state is not in the consituation its a lie that christain / religion haters invented and repeated over and over to make it 'true'.

Schools have books with hitler and nazis in them, does that mean they are promoted / establishing nazism?

Are you twelve years old? Your argument sounds like something coming out a stupid middleschool student.

 

[Xellos2099]

Does any other idiot think this B$^$H is just trying to get attention? Every few years one of these idiot pop up.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Does any other idiot think this B$^$H is just trying to get attention? Every few years one of these idiot pop up.

Standing up for your civil rights in America now makes you a Bitch?

"don't upset the system silently put in place to promote things against that god damned piece of anti-American anti-Religion paper that is the constitution"?

To stand up for the constitution has to be one of the most patriotic things one can do as an American and you retards label her a Bitch for it?

I suppose the US soil is FILLED TO THE BRIM with ancestors who were bitches and didn't want to bow for the Anglican church? I'm fairly sure they saw them as attention seekers too once upon a time.

There is no graded scale on this sheit, if it promotes religion it's unconstitutional and should not be there.

What IS horrible is that it took a student to report it and that teachers and administrators since then have held services (that is what it is when you quote the bible and hold prayer in a room) to try to keep it.

 

[CountZero]

Apparently not. You said the hint was "heavenly father", so I looked that up. The article mentions Judaism, Christianity, Eastern Orthodoxy, Jehovah's Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostalism, Mormonism, Islam, Other religions, Hinduism and Confucianism.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father

Did you read the article or just list the headers?

First only Christianity is listed as using Heavenly Father as a proper name. However many Judeo-Christian sects might use that term and it just isn't listed, I would grant you that.

Second you list Islam but the article states Islam rejects "god as father" ideas. So now the 'poem' definitely not Islamic.

Third the question isn't 'do some religions believe in their deitie(s) as Father?' it is what religions use the term "Heavenly Father". And all those eastern religions you mention don't.

In conclusion it is a Judeo-Christian term at best and only a Christian term at worst. Therefore it promotes a narrow religious view not a grand one as you would imply.

FWIW I don't find it offensive in any way but I also agree with the court's decision.

 

[OutHouse]

Repubs whining about the "War on Religion", imagine that.

Boy, for acting so tough, you guys sure play the victim card as well as any liberal.

Dude dems are religious nuts just as much as republiucans.

 

[michal1980]

Wrong. Buddhists don't believe in "Our heavenly father." Ditto Scientologists, Hinduists, indigenous beliefs, Chinese traditional beliefs, etc. This clearly promotes Abrahamic religions over all the others, which, plus Atheism, are nearly 50% of the world's population.

and if they want a banner I have no problems with it.

Lefty big goverment types want to just ban any mention of religon.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hand-made by students of the school 50 years ago? Its a historical artifact now. Leave it up. It isn't as if the school requires anyone to believe what it says, or even recite it.

Dem's have long since been on an Atheist crusade to purge all mention of Christian heritage from this nation. It just so happens the government owns many such references dating back to a time when they were publicly endorsed. Judaical precedence has provided them an opportunity.

They may remove the Ten Commandants from court houses, and student works from schools. Hell, the next question is what happens if Freddie and Fannie own your house? Technically it's government property too.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder if she feels uncomfortable when handling money? Or does she ignore the "In God We Trust"?

 

[SandEagle]

It was a correct decision. Endorsement of religion is a no-no in a public school.

agreed. practice at home, church, synagogue, mosque, religious schools only. we need to redo the coins and dollars to remove the reference to God too

 

[CitizenKain]

Lefty big goverment types want to just ban any mention of religon.

Dem's have long since been on an Atheist crusade to purge all mention of Christian heritage from this nation.

Awww, the two of you are just adorable.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

A democracy is a system in which all people are judged as equals before the law, regardless of race, religion or gender. The vote of every individual counts as much as the vote of any other. The collective will of the people then determines the rules of society.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Did you read the article or just list the headers?

First only Christianity is listed as using Heavenly Father as a proper name. However many Judeo-Christian sects might use that term and it just isn't listed, I would grant you that.

Second you list Islam but the article states Islam rejects "god as father" ideas. So now the 'poem' definitely not Islamic.

Third the question isn't 'do some religions believe in their deitie(s) as Father?' it is what religions use the term "Heavenly Father". And all those eastern religions you mention don't.

In conclusion it is a Judeo-Christian term at best and only a Christian term at worst. Therefore it promotes a narrow religious view not a grand one as you would imply.

FWIW I don't find it offensive in any way but I also agree with the court's decision.

The Quran only contains what is presented as the literal words of Allah - as relayed by Muhammad. It can be compared to a manufactured text that includes only the words of Jesus (the so-called "red-letter" verses) extracted from their New Testament historical context and then randomly mixed together (the chapters of the Quran are arranged by size and themes are rarely consistent even within each chapter).

By contrast, the Bible contains history and biographical detail. For example, there is nothing in the Quran that details Muhammad's life, whereas the Bible contains four books that present all that is known about the biography of Jesus. Another distinction is that when the Bible commands violence - as it does in a handful of Old Testament verses - the intended target is explicitly defined within the passage, leaving little doubt that it is a recounting of history and not an open-ended command for anyone else to do the same.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_...l-of-cranston-school-prayer-banner?hpt=us_bn4



My 2 cents, the banner should stay up. Its been there for 50 years, hand made by students of the time. Its part of their history and the heritage of the school.

Now, this student, Jessica Ahlquist is an idiot. Here's a little piece of news for you. There's going to be things in life that irritate you, that annoy you, and that boil your blood. Guess what? Tough. You're in high school, not the real world. Stop acting like a whiny snot and get back to your studies. Hopefully, you'll learn how not to be an ass before you graduate.

I think Jessica Ahlquist feels guilty and are more confuse seeing that banner everytime thinking is there a God one God two Gods? She feels it promotes a religion so she did follow something sometime back?

But watch her when she witness something horrible the she will go OH MY GOD!!
Tehy should have just changed the words to fit all religions come to think of it why she care about a prayer. Not like she is praying to anything or anyone

 

[RampantAndroid]

Awww, the two of you are just adorable.

Yeah, check my posts. I'm clearly against Obama, right leaning moderate and VERY much against religion. Take your religion to places that are not owned or run by the government.

Oh, and pro choice too. We just need to redefine when the baby becomes a human and gets rights. IE, if you can abort the baby, then it isn't a person with rights. Thus, if someone punches the mother and they miscarry, then the person should be charged with ASSAULT and NOT murder (given the baby could also be aborted.)

Let's be consistent people.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Yeah, check my posts. I'm clearly against Obama, right leaning moderate and VERY much against religion. Take your religion to places that are not owned or run by the government.

Oh, and pro choice too. We just need to redefine when the baby becomes a human and gets rights. IE, if you can abort the baby, then it isn't a person with rights. Thus, if someone punches the mother and they miscarry, then the person should be charged with ASSAULT and NOT murder (given the baby could also be aborted.)

Let's be consistent people.

What about if religion is the law of the land and the laws of the society is below it?

 

[Siddhartha]

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_...l-of-cranston-school-prayer-banner?hpt=us_bn4



My 2 cents, the banner should stay up. Its been there for 50 years, hand made by students of the time. Its part of their history and the heritage of the school.

Now, this student, Jessica Ahlquist is an idiot. Here's a little piece of news for you. There's going to be things in life that irritate you, that annoy you, and that boil your blood. Guess what? Tough. You're in high school, not the real world. Stop acting like a whiny snot and get back to your studies. Hopefully, you'll learn how not to be an ass before you graduate.

The questions I always ask in these situations are:

What if the banner was a Muslim prayer or a prayer of a religion you disagree with?

Why do you insist on pushing your religion on other people?

 

[RampantAndroid]

What about if religion is the law of the land and the laws of the society is below it?

Then that nation should crawl off and die. But I think the 14th amendment may be enough standing against having religious items in schools, post offices and such. Further, Jefferson writing about the first amendment said it created a wall between church and state. I imagine if I'd dig in the federalist papers I'd find something similar.

Public land should not be used to advertise any form of religion, nor should any religion be shown off in schools (I will however say art is a separate issue here. One can appreciate art that is religious in form.)

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Then that nation should crawl off and die. But I think the 14th amendment may be enough standing against having religious items in schools, post offices and such. Further, Jefferson writing about the first amendment said it created a wall between church and state. I imagine if I'd dig in the federalist papers I'd find something similar.

Public land should not be used to advertise any form of religion, nor should any religion be shown off in schools (I will however say art is a separate issue here. One can appreciate art that is religious in form.)

I agree. Everyone should have the right to everything. But don't some people have the right to express themselves or the right to express their believe without impeding others? Yes its a banner but does it impede anyone? You don't have to look. Same as with advertisements. They are there like a banner but we chose to look or ignore them. Same as google throwing religion slogans in my face with banners.

If we look at common laws. All be it what religion most are brought up to respect their father and mother etc etc. Yet someone who doesn't believe in Gods and such knows exactly well which religion it is strangely for someone not believing in it. And such things can be like those pictures you see at the psychiatrists offices. They show a drawing and ask what you see. And the picture forms something different for most people. Yet its all in the mind and a thought on the top of your head.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I agree. Everyone should have the right to everything. But don't some people have the right to express themselves or the right to express their believe without impeding others? Yes its a banner but does it impede anyone? You don't have to look. Same as with advertisements. They are there like a banner but we chose to look or ignore them. Same as google throwing religion slogans in my face with banners.

It's not a matter of whether I have to look at it. It's a matter of a prayer being written on a school. You surround kids with that type of stuff, they take it in. It's absolute nonsense that it's up there. Whether I can look away or not isn't an issue. What IS an issue is that government land has religious icons of various forms on it.

 

[soccerballtux]

What part is being followed here?

not the "under God" part

 

[soccerballtux]

The questions I always ask in these situations are:

What if the banner was a Muslim prayer or a prayer of a religion you disagree with?

Why do you insist on pushing your religion on other people?

if it was a Muslim prayer I would threaten to bomb them if they took it down. Anonymously of course. Lol you made that too easy