Judge orders Sarah Palin to preserve yahoo accounts and emails

shira

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Gee. Imagine that. Alaska has a public records law. And Sarah Palin was doing an end-around, using a Yahoo account to conduct state business instead of using the state's secure email system. I wonder why Palin would do such a thing.

And a Palin aide LIED about the existence of yet another "external" Palin account. Lied? A person on Palin's team? Why would he do such a thing?

Could there be things written in those emails that are embarrassing? For a god-fearing soccer-mom? Impossible!

But now a Superior Court judge has ordered that all accounts and emails be preserved. What a stinker.

Just another left-wing smear, right?

Washington Post

Palin Must Save Her Yahoo E-Mails, Judge Rules
By Karl Vick
An Anchorage judge has ordered Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to preserve e-mails from private accounts she has used to conduct state business.

Superior Court Judge Craig Stowers on Friday also ordered Alaska's attorney general to recover messages from a Yahoo.com account of Palin's that was breached by hackers last month. That break-in prompted Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign to order closed at least one additional private account Palin maintained.

The judge issued the orders at the request of Andree McLeod, an Anchorage activist whose pursuit of Palin's e-mails revealed that the governor did considerable state business from a Yahoo e-mail address -- an arrangement that avoided the safeguards and accountability of the state's secure e-mail system.

Last month a second Yahoo account maintained by Palin was hacked and images of its inbox were posted publicly online. The inbox included e-mails with subject lines that seemed clearly to relate to legislation.

A Tennessee man was indicted Thursday on charges of illegally resetting Palin's password and posting several pages from gov.palin@yahoo.com.

Yet another private address outside the Yahoo system came to light earlier this month, when The Washington Post reported that Palin, her husband and close aides established last spring e-mail accounts that were apparently known only to one another. The accounts were nested within an Internet domain maintained by a Wasilla computer company. The company and the McCain campaign confirmed the existence of the accounts, although it was denied by Frank Bailey, the Palin aide who company officials said set up the accounts and had the authority to administer them.

The McCain campaign ordered those e-mail accounts for Palin and her husband frozen after the Yahoo hacking became known. The Yahoo breach also affected the functioning of state government.

"Until she was hacked, we were communicating just about daily," Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell told the Associated Press the following week. "Now I'm talking with her chief of staff."

Judge Stowers called the effort to recover and preserve Palin e-mails relating to state business "important" and noted that Alaska's public record law was last updated before the rise of the Internet.

"On one hand, I'm pleased that the judge saw fit to order the retrieval and preservation of these e-mails, to the extent of going to the providers to get them," said McLeod, a Republican who was formerly close to Palin. "But on the other hand, I'm amazed that I even have to go to court to get the governor to comply with Alaska's public record laws."

McLeod is also seeking the release by Palin of some 1,100 e-mails the governor held back from an earlier public records request, citing executive privilege. McLeod's lawyer asserts that Palin waived that privilege by routinely copying messages to her husband, Todd, who is not a state employee.
 

MovingTarget

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Good. No public official should conduct public business on a private email account. Ever. Not only does it represent a security risk, but it effectively does an end-run around records retention laws. Keep work and personal life separate.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Good. No public official should conduct public business on a private email account. Ever. Not only does it represent a security risk, but it effectively does an end-run around records retention laws. Keep work and personal life separate.

Somehow I don't think this was just a convenience issue where Palin got lazy about personal/work emails. Somehow, I suspect Palin wanted to avoid the state's secure system.

I think Congress and the states should all pass laws making it a criminal act to engage in government business on private email accounts. At the federal level, it should be grounds for impeachment (for elected officials).

Government officials work for and are accountable to US.
 

techs

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Well at least McCain is safe since he doesn't know how to use a computer.
 

MadRat

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The Bush administration does the same thing. Yahoo! should be patriotic and preserve those accounts for The People.
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
The Bush administration does the same thing. Yahoo! should be patriotic and preserve those accounts for The People.

I doubt Cheney has a yahoo account. ;)

 

Throckmorton

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I don't understand the whole court ordering an office to preserve records. What's stopping them from deleting things? What stops the Bush admin from burning files having to do with the attorney firings, etc?

I assume though that Yahoo has everything backed up.
 
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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't understand the whole court ordering an office to preserve records. What's stopping them from deleting things? What stops the Bush admin from burning files having to do with the attorney firings, etc?

I assume though that Yahoo has everything backed up.

If you ignore the court order, you can get charged with obstruction of justice. Of course, you'd need a competent Justice Department to pursue charges.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't understand the whole court ordering an office to preserve records. What's stopping them from deleting things? What stops the Bush admin from burning files having to do with the attorney firings, etc?

I assume though that Yahoo has everything backed up.
What stops them in the case of Sara Palin is she can end up being charged criminally for violating a court order, and possibly obstruction of justice as well, if she if she doesn't attempt to comply with the order to the best of her ability. The same is true in the case of the Bush administration and its members, although there may an issue regarding actually enforcing the law. You also have the issue of actually proving the records were destroyed after the orders were given (although there are already legal requirements in place to preserve Presidential records.)

It should be noted though that there is a legal rule where if someone is ordered by a court to preserve records and then deliberately destroys them anyways, if its known what general subjects the document(s) or email(s) are supposed to have addressed, a jury or judge can actually assume it was incriminating when making their judgments regarding the case in a court of law.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: MadRat
The Bush administration does the same thing. Yahoo! should be patriotic and preserve those accounts for The People.

I doubt Cheney has a yahoo account. ;)

Actually, IIRC Cheney extensively used the private RNC e-mail accounts.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
they prolly already wiped everything :(
yep
Yahoo presumably keeps backups.
Maybe, can we say for sure? I know that my company--and not just a public company like yahoo people use to send pics of their cat--does not keep emails long term. They truly are wiped to my knowledge (and I've asked IT) because it would just take up a lot of room and/or be of no interest to anybody. Further we have legally set guidelines to actually actively delete things after a certain period of time, so we're advised against keeping it long term. What reason would yahoo really have to keep things indefinitely?
 

KK

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OMG, the bitch used a yahoo email account. Throw the skank in a volcano. good riddance.
 

theflyingpig

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Its obvious that by using a Yahoo account, Sarah Palin is a LIAR and a MURDERER. She and everyone she knows is complicit in every foul act committed in the past 50 years. I know this to be true.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: KK
OMG, the bitch used a yahoo email account. Throw the skank in a volcano. good riddance.

You didn't know that there are emails where Palin discusses whether using the Yahoo emails can get her around the law that requirers her to keep her emails and that it was ILLEGAL for her to conduct state business on a private email account for secuirty reasons?
Then when the Yahoo account was hacked her lackey denied she had the accounts?
THAT'S what's going on here.
Illegal actions.