Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo Freed

[NoStateofMind]

Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo Freed

WASHINGTON ? A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the Bush administration to release 17 detainees at Guantánamo Bay by the end of the week, the first such ruling in nearly seven years of legal disputes over the administration?s detention policies.

The judge, Ricardo M. Urbina of Federal District Court, ordered that the 17 men be brought to his courtroom on Friday from the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where they have been held since 2002. He indicated that he would release the men, members of the restive Uighur Muslim minority in western China, into the care of supporters in the United States, initially in the Washington area.

?I think the moment has arrived for the court to shine the light of constitutionality on the reasons for detention,? Judge Urbina said.

Finally a court is challenging the Bush atrocities. Hopefully this will open the door and allow more injustices to be brought to light.

And for those wondering, yes I stole the title because I have no creative thought.

 

[techs]

IIRC the US said they would be ok releasing them but no country wanted them.

 

[AstroManLuca]

And another rotting plank in the Bush platform falls.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Topic Title: Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo Freed

Good. It'll make room for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Wolfowitz, Perlman, Libby and the rest of the neocon traitors when they're convicted and sentenced for treason, murder, torture and the rest of their crimes against the U.S. and the world.

 

[winnar111]

Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

why exactly is locking people up indefinitely without a trial or evidence a partisan issue? McCain and Obama both promise to shut gitmo down asap.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I was wondering how winnar111, PJ and CSG would react to this news... Can't say I'm surprised so far.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111
Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

why exactly is locking people up indefinitely without a trial or evidence a partisan issue? McCain and Obama both promise to shut gitmo down asap.

It's not a partisan issue. It's a national security issue, which, in theory, should be non partisan.

 

[Thump553]

I think the US government has wanted to let them go for years but was worried they would be executed and/or tortured if they returned to China.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111
Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

why exactly is locking people up indefinitely without a trial or evidence a partisan issue? McCain and Obama both promise to shut gitmo down asap.

It's not a partisan issue. It's a national security issue, which, in theory, should be non partisan.

If there is any evidence these fellows present a threat to natl security then simply present it. America is not about locking people up forever in a hole in the ground and simply telling the public, oh, don't worry, they're bad guys, trust us.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

We are a nation of laws. It is what makes us great! It is what keeps us great! IF we are holding folks uncharged for some seven years in cases it seems to me to be beyond the beyonds. I extend to all people the same rights I demand for myself if they are under my control and especially if they are in my country. It is a simple matter AFAIK. They must be citizens of someplace but if that someplace would harm them if returned then they should be let stay here just like anyone else should be that seeks to be free. We hammer human rights to death in some cases but not in others... I want us to be constant...
I'd rather give up some security to increase freedom than to increase security and reduce freedom. I don't want living under Marshal Law nor have someone tapping my phone etc..

Right to bear arms extends to citizens and others that meet the criteria.

 

[Drakkon]

So we were detaining 17 men who are terrorists in/to China and not in the US?
How many other detainees are considered a threat to other countries and not our own?

I get the need to quell terrorism and stop ones that want to attack the US but shouldn't we not be taking on other countries terrorists and getting them mad at us?

 

[winnar111]

Oh, and unless I'm mistaken; this has already been blocked on appeal.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27092341/

WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court on Wednesday temporarily blocked a judge's decision to immediately free 17 Chinese Muslims at Guantanamo Bay into the U.S.

In a one-page order, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit issued the emergency stay at the request of the Bush administration. The three-judge panel said it would postpone release of the detainees for at least another week to give the government more time to make arguments in the case.

It comes after U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina on Tuesday made a dramatic decision ordering the government to free the detainees by Friday. Urbina said it would be wrong for the Bush administration to continue holding the detainees, known as Uighurs (pronounced WEE'gurz), since they are no longer considered enemy combatants.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
I was wondering how winnar111, PJ and CSG would react to this news... Can't say I'm surprised so far.

:roll: ASSume much?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
I was wondering how winnar111, PJ and CSG would react to this news... Can't say I'm surprised so far.

Isn't it wonderful that we each can have different views on the same topic and not fear for our lives....

 

[Craig234]

In another of my posts noting who appointed the judges who make the 'good' decisions standing up to Bush, this judge was appointed by Clinton.

One more reminder on the pattern we seee, how important it is that we not let the radical right accomplish their goal of packing the federal courts withe 'Federalist Society' judges.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

IMO, these people should have already had trials.

That being said, the judge himself is overstepping with his order.

"I do not expect these Uighurs will be molested by any member of the United States government,? Judge Urbina said sharply. ?I?m a federal judge, and I?ve issued an order."

These people are not legal immigrants and thus have no right to be here if "released" by this judge. Therefore ICE has every right to detain them and deport them - this judge can not stop ICE from doing it's job just because he's got a bone to pick with Bush.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111
Find out where Judge Urbina lives and dump these 17 men right in front of his lawn. Release the next batch in Pelosi's district.

Oh, and since they're free men, give em the right to bear arms.

why exactly is locking people up indefinitely without a trial or evidence a partisan issue? McCain and Obama both promise to shut gitmo down asap.

It's not a partisan issue. It's a national security issue, which, in theory, should be non partisan.

If there is any evidence these fellows present a threat to natl security then simply present it. America is not about locking people up forever in a hole in the ground and simply telling the public, oh, don't worry, they're bad guys, trust us.

Based on what? Numerous Presidents have detained individuals in times of war. Obviously you don't want them returning to the battlefield and killing our soldiers.

In fact, that's already happened.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/...eleased_guantanamo.php

Two Kuwaiti al Qaeda operatives who conducted suicide attacks were featured at the end of the video. Abu Omar al Kuwaiti, also known as Badr Mishel Gama?an al Harbi, and Abu Juheiman al Kuwaiti, also known as Abdullah Salih al Ajmi, are both shown on the video, along with their attacks in Mosul, said Kazimi.

Harbi, who claimed to be a "veteran of the jihad in Afghanistan," conducted a suicide car bomb attack on a police station in Mosul on April 26, 2008.

Ajmi was released from Guantanamo Bay and was searching for "a way to reconnect with the jihad." He claimed he was tortured while at Guantanamo Bay.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another of my posts noting who appointed the judges who make the 'good' decisions standing up to Bush, this judge was appointed by Clinton.

One more reminder on the pattern we seee, how important it is that we not let the radical right accomplish their goal of packing the federal courts withe 'Federalist Society' judges.

Except this judge looks to be a radical lefty - or at minimum an incredibly arrogant judge.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO, these people should have already had trials.

That being said, the judge himself is overstepping with his order.
"I do not expect these Uighurs will be molested by any member of the United States government,? Judge Urbina said sharply. ?I?m a federal judge, and I?ve issued an order." These people are not legal immigrants and thus have no right to be here if "released" by this judge. Therefore ICE has every right to detain them and deport them - this judge can not stop ICE from doing it's job just because he's got a bone to pick with Bush.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what status the judge is seeking to confer upon them. There has to be middle ground between indefinite confinement without hearing and a grant of citizenship.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Thump553
I think the US government has wanted to let them go for years but was worried they would be executed and/or tortured if they returned to China.

Must be why the US allowed Chinese officials to get their hands on the prisoners and interrogae them at Guantanamo, even abusing them for the Chinese. Link

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another of my posts noting who appointed the judges who make the 'good' decisions standing up to Bush, this judge was appointed by Clinton.

One more reminder on the pattern we seee, how important it is that we not let the radical right accomplish their goal of packing the federal courts withe 'Federalist Society' judges.

As you know, a judge must look to the law and not be an advocate for any side. A judge who acts in concert with an agenda and thus an advocate should be impeached! It is essential to have the Judicial Branch of Government free from advocating on behalf of anything. The law must remain blind. IF Bush is right then I support his right to use the law but IF he knows he is wrong and seeks to delay based on some issue or another then he should be impeached cuz he is NOT supporting his oath of office...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another of my posts noting who appointed the judges who make the 'good' decisions standing up to Bush, this judge was appointed by Clinton.

One more reminder on the pattern we seee, how important it is that we not let the radical right accomplish their goal of packing the federal courts withe 'Federalist Society' judges.

As you know, a judge must look to the law and not be an advocate for any side. A judge who acts in concert with an agenda and thus an advocate should be impeached! It is essential to have the Judicial Branch of Government free from advocating on behalf of anything. The law must remain blind. IF Bush is right then I support his right to use the law but IF he knows he is wrong and seeks to delay based on some issue or another then he should be impeached cuz he is NOT supporting his oath of office...

I agree, but the radical Federalist Society is not outside the boundaries where they are committing the acts needed for impeachment.

The process relies on the President's judgement and the Senate's judgement, and those have not been doing what they should.

In fact, Bush radically replaced the Amrican Bar Association after many decades as the government's official evaluator of judicial nominees, with the Federalist Society itself.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO, these people should have already had trials.

That being said, the judge himself is overstepping with his order.

"I do not expect these Uighurs will be molested by any member of the United States government,? Judge Urbina said sharply. ?I?m a federal judge, and I?ve issued an order."

These people are not legal immigrants and thus have no right to be here if "released" by this judge. Therefore ICE has every right to detain them and deport them - this judge can not stop ICE from doing it's job just because he's got a bone to pick with Bush.

Under law these folks may have a right to remain here. You know this. We can't send folks to face certain fates by deportation... They didn't come to their current location at their own determination... we, therefore, assume that responsibility.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
I was wondering how winnar111, PJ and CSG would react to this news... Can't say I'm surprised so far.

Isn't it wonderful that we each can have different views on the same topic and not fear for our lives....

I bet those 17 men did fear for their lives more than once, thanks to views like winnar111's.