Judge Koh Rules: Samsung Did Not Willfully Infringe apple/samsung

[waggy]

http://www.muktware.com/5168/judge-koh-rules-samsung-did-not-willfully-infringe

In a nutshell there won't be a new trial, as Samsung wanted, because the judge thinks that the trial was fair despite allegations that the jury foreman could have been biased. She also ruled that there won't be any more money for Apple as the iPhone maker failed to prove they were 'undercompensated' by the jury. The most important ruling was that she also found that 'Samsung did not willfully' infringe'.

So, Samsung owes Apple US $1 billion for a non will ful infringement. That's cheap for a company as huge as Samsung.






Whaaat? this case is so fucked up. lol

 

[OBLAMA2009]

it sounds like that judge has an iphone up her butt...

 

[deathBOB]

it sounds like that judge has an iphone up her butt...

Probably a more comfortable choice than a Note 2

 

[dainthomas]

Samsung will pull that out of petty cash.

 

[lopri]

Probably a more comfortable choice than a Note 2

Why do you think she'd be uncomfortable? She might enjo... never mind.

 

[Kenmitch]

Samsung will pull that out of petty cash.

Wasn't a couple of the patents somewhat devalidated by the patent office already?...At least in patent limbo for the time being.

 

[Axon]

An absolutely accurate ruling....except for the legal conclusion on Samsung's infringing.

 

[Mopetar]

Wasn't a couple of the patents somewhat devalidated by the patent office already?...At least in patent limbo for the time being.

I think most of the damages were due to design patents or for Samsung otherwise infringing on Apple's trade dress.

 

[SunnyD]

Bumping this so as trolling trollers don't get a chance to spin a new thread.

Koh has disallowed about $450 million of the damages and has ordered a new damages trial for 14 or the 28 infringing items:

The ruling by US District Judge Lucy Koh removes some of the sting from the giant verdict. Of the 28 infringing products, she has ordered a new damages trial to be held on 14 of them, "ecause the Court has identified an impermissible legal theory on which the jury based its award, and cannot reasonably calculate the amount of excess."

So as of right now, Apple's "win" has now been reduced to $600 million*.

 

[Red Storm]

As long as this trial is still in the news everyone loses.

 

[Phynaz]

But wait, I thought the judge was a biased Apple fanboy?

 

[Axon]

I'm just thankful a relatively rational voice showed up and trimmed down that preposterous verdict.

 

[s44]

Sorry, Steve, your crusade to sue Android into oblivion has failed.

 

[Graze]

I am glad to hear this.
I don't love Apple but I sure don't like that bloody washing machine making company samsung, which has little originality.

 

[elitejp]

Samsung will pull that out of petty cash.

Actually its more likely that samsung will take it out from consumer sales that will be calculated into the next batch of products introduced to the market. In other words increased costs to samsung will cause an increase of cost to the buyer.

 

[KeithP]

I'm just thankful a relatively rational voice showed up and trimmed down that preposterous verdict.

Some of the damages have to be recalculated. In theory, a large chunk of what was set aside could be restored. Also, the Judge is expected to add additional damages for sales of infringing products that took place after the verdict.

Of course this all has to wait for the appeal process to play out first.

-KeithP

 

[Dari]

Bumping this so as trolling trollers don't get a chance to spin a new thread.

Koh has disallowed about $450 million of the damages and has ordered a new damages trial for 14 or the 28 infringing items:



So as of right now, Apple's "win" has now been reduced to $600 million*.

I guess you saw the ruling at half full. The initial $1b verdict could easily go up, not down to $600m, as you're hoping.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this court debacle just shows how retarded and unqualified non technical judges are to make decisions like this. so now she thinks her original award was off by, oh, $450 million? that idiot is just dangerous

 

[Kenmitch]

this court debacle just shows how retarded and unqualified non technical judges are to make decisions like this. so now she thinks her original award was off by, oh, $450 million? that idiot is just dangerous

The jury was the one that made the decision on how much to award not the judge.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Actually its more likely that samsung will take it out from consumer sales that will be calculated into the next batch of products introduced to the market. In other words increased costs to samsung will cause an increase of cost to the buyer.

The notion of 'passing costs onto the consumer' really only works in commodity-type markets where the notion of 'normal profit' has meaning. Even then, the effect you imagine will only really happen if additional costs are imposed industry-wide. Any individual company faced with a large cost has two choices: swallow it, or quit.

Samsung's pricing is already carefully calculated based on competitor pricing, strength of product line, etc. The value of this verdict will make little/no difference to pricing.

 

[akugami]

1) Samsung willfully infringed on Apple's design patents. If you still don't believe this, you are ignoring reality.

2) The money that Samsung has to pay Apple is simply way too much. I'm dubious that the value of those patents should even warrant a $100M judgement much less one in excess of $1B.

3) Please make the lawsuit go away.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

The jury was the one that made the decision on how much to award not the judge.

uh, no kidding dats whati said: "this court debacle just shows how retarded and unqualified non technical JURIES are to make decisions like this."

 

[Rifter]

uh, no kidding dats whati said: "this court debacle just shows how retarded and unqualified non technical JURIES are to make decisions like this."

Yeah except its not what you said at all

this court debacle just shows how retarded and unqualified non technical judges are to make decisions like this. so now she thinks her original award was off by, oh, $450 million? that idiot is just dangerous

 

[lopri]

Unfortunately, this area is reallllly not about tech, but rather corporate politics and lawyers. It's all about claiming and framing. Competent lawyers have no problem creating an alternate universe, and judiciary and lay persons are awfully incompetent. This isn't a criticism pointed towards individuals, but rather the system. It's self-evident why everyday person need not be armed with the detailed knowledge of computer technologies.

So today we have a system where lawyers "invent" inventions, not engineers or scientists. There need to be an industry-wide, international, and ongoing/timely discussions on how intellectual properties should be treated. Ideally intellectual properties should be very strict in scope and limited in time.

 

[PowerYoga]

I've said this before, but all this trial reveals is how ridiculously outdated the patent system in the states are. You can patent anything if you just submit it enough times.