Judge gives Illegal pass on license.

[rpanic]

From the New York Post:

December 21, 2007 -- Illegal aliens can know the freedom of the open road in Westbury, LI, where a local judge yesterday tossed out a charge of driving without a license brought against an immigrant who is ineligible to obtain one.
Justice Thomas Liotti expects an appeal - but he hopes his decision will reopen discussion of Gov. Spitzer's failed proposal to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
"These people have got to take driving tests," Liotti said in an interview. "Otherwise, they're out there in many cases without insurance.
"They get in accidents and everything else, and there's no protection for people who are lawfully on the roadways," he added, after finding in favor of defendant Rafael Quiroga Puma.
Liotti wrote that he is bothered by how the public has linked the idea of giving immigrants driver's licenses to immigration and national security.
"Instead of dealing with this issue as one concerning our highways, public officials have transformed this highly legitimate concern into a debate on flawed immigration policies," Liotti said.

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I just saw this judge on CNN, he said that it was unconstitutional for an illegal not to be able to get a drivers license, what a joke. Illegal was on his third driving without a license ticket. I have a solution deport the illegal, he has shown he has no regard for the law.

I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

 

[SirStev0]

Blah blah... kind of stupid. Kind of activisty. with that being said.... I do think it would be better if they were licensed. with all the scumbags driving around like nuts it would make me feel a little better if more people had proof that they were capable drivers.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: rpanic
I just saw this judge on CNN, he said that it was unconstitutional for an illegal not to be able to get a drivers license, what a joke. Illegal was on his third driving without a license ticket. I have a solution deport the illegal, he has shown he has no regard for the law.

I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

The Judge didn't create this situation.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rpanic
I just saw this judge on CNN, he said that it was unconstitutional for an illegal not to be able to get a drivers license, what a joke. Illegal was on his third driving without a license ticket. I have a solution deport the illegal, he has shown he has no regard for the law.

I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

The Judge didn't create this situation.

No, merely enforced it. Just as bad.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rpanic
I just saw this judge on CNN, he said that it was unconstitutional for an illegal not to be able to get a drivers license, what a joke. Illegal was on his third driving without a license ticket. I have a solution deport the illegal, he has shown he has no regard for the law.

I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

The Judge didn't create this situation.

No, merely enforced it. Just as bad.

And enabled it.

Ending this ridiculous sympathy for charging illegals (while those who spend thousands of dollars and wait many years in war-torn countries to gain a work visa) is the only solution. Sanctioning Calderon's poverty plan of "Go to the U.S - we won't you" will also help the situation. It shocks me how so many advocates of illegal immigration are so ignorant of the policies of the Mexican government instated by Calderon.

HAHAHA!

 

[Rainsford]

You all should read more carefully. This isn't about the illegals, it's about the OTHER drivers on the road. The Judge is essentially making the (correct) argument that it's in everyone's best interest if everyone driving around is tested and licensed. Now I realize this doesn't help the illegal immigration absolutists, but the fact is that there are illegal aliens driving around. If you don't like that, deport them, whatever. But until that time, ALSO denying them licenses is stupid and makes it less safe on the roads.

 

[Farang]

The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

 

[BoomerD]

How does this make it anyt safer on the roadways? Do you people REALLY believe that the illegal immigrants (most of whom don't want any kind of public recognitinon) will immediately study for and get driver's licenses and pay for insurance? What about the ones who can't pass the tests? Will they stop driving?
These people break US laws when they cross the border, why do you think they will start obeying US laws just to get driver's licenses and insurance?

 

[BoberFett]

If not being able to get a license is unconstitutional, what about drunk drivers? Isn't it in everyone's best interest is they're licensed rather than driving around without one?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If not being able to get a license is unconstitutional, what about drunk drivers? Isn't it in everyone's best interest is they're licensed rather than driving around without one?

They're here illegally, (violating US laws) they usually work under a phony SS#, stealing the identy of a legal resident or citizen, (in violation of state and US laws) what makes you think they will worry about getting driver's licenses or insurance? Won't that just draw attention to the fact that they're illegal immigrants and make it easier for the ICE (INS) to round them up and deport them? (which is what SHOULD be done)

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

Illegal, illegal, illegal scumbags.... happy? :laugh:

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

Illegal immigrants. If you'd like to shorten it, immigrants is acceptable.

Think of it as shortening "African Americans" to "Africans." Or "Mentally disabled" to "Mentals." The term "illegals" shortens their title by eliminating the human noun, rather than the descriptive adjective. This is dehumanizing and has no place in the debate.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

Illegal immigrants. If you'd like to shorten it, immigrants is acceptable.

Think of it as shortening "African Americans" to "Africans." Or "Mentally disabled" to "Mentals." The term "illegals" shortens their title by eliminating the human noun, rather than the descriptive adjective. This is dehumanizing and has no place in the debate.

Bullshit...if they're here illegally, then "illegals" is a suitable term. the PC bullshit you're trying to spread just gives them more leverage to stay here. "Pleeze feel sorry for us..."

Box em up and ship em home.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

Illegal immigrants. If you'd like to shorten it, immigrants is acceptable.

Think of it as shortening "African Americans" to "Africans." Or "Mentally disabled" to "Mentals." The term "illegals" shortens their title by eliminating the human noun, rather than the descriptive adjective. This is dehumanizing and has no place in the debate.

Bullshit...if they're here illegally, then "illegals" is a suitable term. the PC bullshit you're trying to spread just gives them more leverage to stay here. "Pleeze feel sorry for us..."

Box em up and ship em home.

It's funny how even when you explicitly state your meaning, people will still twist your words. Just because I call for a fair usage of terms in the immigration debate does not mean I support an influx in immigrants. This has nothing to do with political correctness. If you want to have a productive argument, you cannot cheat by dehumanizing the human object you are discussing--and that is exactly what this term does. I'm not taking offense to its usage, I'm not saying you're a racist for using it. You are simply distracting from the valid points which I believe pro-enforcement supporters hold.

Forget conscription, forget national service. Let's just make Rhetoric 101 a required course for all Americans and this country will be a better place.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

Illegal immigrants. If you'd like to shorten it, immigrants is acceptable.

Think of it as shortening "African Americans" to "Africans." Or "Mentally disabled" to "Mentals." The term "illegals" shortens their title by eliminating the human noun, rather than the descriptive adjective. This is dehumanizing and has no place in the debate.

Bullshit...if they're here illegally, then "illegals" is a suitable term. the PC bullshit you're trying to spread just gives them more leverage to stay here. "Pleeze feel sorry for us..."

Box em up and ship em home.

It's funny how even when you explicitly state your meaning, people will still twist your words. Just because I call for a fair usage of terms in the immigration debate does not mean I support an influx in immigrants. This has nothing to do with political correctness. If you want to have a productive argument, you cannot cheat by dehumanizing the human object you are discussing--and that is exactly what this term does. I'm not taking offense to its usage, I'm not saying you're a racist for using it. You are simply distracting from the valid points which I believe pro-enforcement supporters hold.

Forget conscription, forget national service. Let's just make Rhetoric 101 a required course for all Americans and this country will be a better place.

Pathetic reasoning.... The defining characteristic of illegal alien immigrants, is that they are ILLEGAL, not alien, and not immigrant. There are plenty of legal aliens/immigrants. Calling illegal immigrants "illegals" is perfectly descriptive and efficient.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Farang

How PC do you want to be? Does "illegal aliens" work? It has a noun.

I fail to see how using the word "immigrants" conjures up some kind of warm, fuzzy feelings about these people; so not using it doesn't seem de-humanizing at all to me.

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

your are way too funny!!

So what do you call these people who are in our country without permission?

Illegal immigrants. If you'd like to shorten it, immigrants is acceptable.

Think of it as shortening "African Americans" to "Africans." Or "Mentally disabled" to "Mentals." The term "illegals" shortens their title by eliminating the human noun, rather than the descriptive adjective. This is dehumanizing and has no place in the debate.

Bullshit...if they're here illegally, then "illegals" is a suitable term. the PC bullshit you're trying to spread just gives them more leverage to stay here. "Pleeze feel sorry for us..."

Box em up and ship em home.

It's funny how even when you explicitly state your meaning, people will still twist your words. Just because I call for a fair usage of terms in the immigration debate does not mean I support an influx in immigrants. This has nothing to do with political correctness. If you want to have a productive argument, you cannot cheat by dehumanizing the human object you are discussing--and that is exactly what this term does. I'm not taking offense to its usage, I'm not saying you're a racist for using it. You are simply distracting from the valid points which I believe pro-enforcement supporters hold.

Forget conscription, forget national service. Let's just make Rhetoric 101 a required course for all Americans and this country will be a better place.

Pathetic reasoning.... The defining characteristic of illegal alien immigrants, is that they are ILLEGAL, not alien, and not immigrant. There are plenty of legal aliens/immigrants. Calling illegal immigrants "illegals" is perfectly descriptive and efficient.

Put away your whining BS about rhetoric, when you can barely comprehend what you are talking about.

agreed. calling them just immigrants is confusing and silly.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: spunkz
[agreed. calling them just immigrants is confusing and silly.

Especially when NOT using the term illegal as a descriptive word lumps them in with all the legal immigrants who have paid the fees and gone through all the work and "jumped through all the hoops" to become LEGAL immigrants.
AFAIK, no one is calling for the expulsion of LEGAL immigrants, ONLY those who are here ILLEGALLY...thus, ILLEGAL immigrants...those who are here ILLEGALLY...or "Crimigrants" if you prefer...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: rpanic
I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

:thumbsup:

It's time to start impeaching judges who think they can legislate from their bench.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: spunkz
agreed. calling them just immigrants is confusing and silly.

It's confusing, on purpose. There's a much more negative connotation when the word "illegal" is added. And rightly so.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You all should read more carefully. This isn't about the illegals, it's about the OTHER drivers on the road. The Judge is essentially making the (correct) argument that it's in everyone's best interest if everyone driving around is tested and licensed. Now I realize this doesn't help the illegal immigration absolutists, but the fact is that there are illegal aliens driving around. If you don't like that, deport them, whatever. But until that time, ALSO denying them licenses is stupid and makes it less safe on the roads.

There is a significant difference between "best interest" as the judge sees it and Constitutional law. It is the duty of the judge to follow that law, but clearly decided that his sensitivities outweigh the obligations of his office. To be blunt, the judge has gotten too big for his britches.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: rpanic
I think the judge should be removed if he can?t enforce the law.

:thumbsup:

It's time to start impeaching judges who think they can legislate from their bench.

It's time to start impeaching the legislators that legislated this situation from their benches.

Also those that support them.

 

[Lemon law]

The point is and remains, we have 12 million or better illegal aliens in this country. And even if we had the national will to give them the boot, we have no way to track them. Among other things, drivers licenses would be such a way of nationally tracking them.

I can understand the judge's rational that it would be better to get them driver's licenses so they could get insurance, but somehow I very much doubt they would buy car insurance if they had a license.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Farang
The use of the word "illegals" is dehumanizing and has no place in debates on immigration. Nobody agrees with me, though, not even the far-left hippy assholes who want to let all those immigrants in the country.

The effects of invading this country are also dehumanizing. I'll get over calling them illegal when they get back to their home and stop assaulting ours.