Judge Alito Victorious in Judiciary Committee

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WASHINGTON - The Judiciary Committee favorably recommended
Samuel Alito's Supreme Court nomination to the full Senate on a party-line vote Tuesday, moving the conservative jurist one step closer to joining the high court.

All 10 Republicans voted for Alito, while all eight Democrats voted against him. The partisan vote was almost preordained, with 15 of the 18 senators announcing their votes even before the committee's session began.

The full Senate expects to take a final vote on Alito's nomination before the end of the week. That vote is also expected to follow along party lines, with only one Democrat ? Ben Nelson of Nebraska ? coming out so far in support of Alito. Republicans hold the balance of power in the Senate 55-44, with one independent.

Senate Republicans say Alito is a good choice for the nation's highest court.

"Like America's founders, Judge Alito clearly believes in self-government, that the people and not judges should make law, and that judges have an important role but must know and stay in their proper place," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah.

But Democrats are fretting that the 55-year-old jurist and former lawyer for the Reagan administration will swing the court to the right and help overturn precedent-setting decisions like
Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court's abortion rights case, although he refused to talk about that decision at his confirmation hearing.

"He still believes that the Constitution does not protect a right to an abortion, but does not want to tell the American people because he knows how unpopular that view is," said Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y.

In a statement after the vote, the White House said: "The negative tone, relentless attacks and distortion of Judge Alito's career confirmed what we already knew from the hearings: Judge Alito had an open mind but the Democrats, beholden to their interest groups, did not."

"Democrats have repeatedly twisted and distorted Judge Alito's positions to the point where they are unrecognizable," said spokesman Stephen Schmidt. "Democrats' relentless politicization of a process that has traditionally been above partisan politics is disappointing."

Even with the party line vote, Democrats are not expected to filibuster Alito's nomination. The Senate will begin final debate on Wednesday, and Republicans hope to get a final vote by Friday.

Alito has a lot of public support as his nomination heads to the full Senate. More than half, 54 percent in a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll out this week, said they thought the Senate should vote to confirm him. That is up slightly from early January, before hearings were held.

Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts won the votes of 22 Democrats last year ? including three in committee ? ranking Democrat Patrick Leahy of Vermont as well as Wisconsin Sens. Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl.

Those three senators voted against Alito Tuesday.

"This is a nomination that I fear threatens the fundamental rights and liberties of all Americans now in for generations to come," Leahy said of the Alito nomination.

Alito was picked last October by
President Bush to replace the retiring Justice
Sandra Day O'Connor. She was the high court's first female member, and a key swing vote on contentious issues such as abortion, affirmative action and the death penalty during her career on the court.

Alito was the White House's second choice for that seat. White House counsel Harriet Miers withdrew from consideration last year after conservative criticism of her nomination.

Republicans and Democrats are preparing to use the partisan battle over judicial nominations as a campaign issue in the midterm election this year. Republicans say the Democratic filibuster of lower-court judge helped them knock of former Democratic Senate leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota two years ago.

If Democrats want to make judges a campaign issue, "we welcome that debate on our side. We'll clean your clock," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C.

Alito may be on his way to the most partisan victory for a Supreme Court nominee in years. The closest margin for victory for a Supreme Court justice in modern history is Justice
Clarence Thomas' 52-48 victory in 1991. In that vote, 11 Democrats broke with their party and voted for President George H.W. Bush's nominee.

Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., warned that Republicans would remember a party-line Alito vote in future Supreme Court nominations, considering several Republicans voted for Justices
Stephen Breyer and
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who were nominated by
President Clinton.

"It is simply unrealistic to think that one party would put itself at a disadvantage by eschewing political considerations while the other party almost unanimously applies such considerations," Kyl said. "So I say to my Democratic friends: Think carefully about what is being done today. Its impact will be felt well beyond this particular nominee."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said things are different from when the Senate considered Breyer and Ginsburg, who were confirmed 87-9 and 96-3 respectively. "There was not the polarization within America that is there today, and not the defined move to take this court in a singular direction," Feinstein said.

Liberal groups are pushing hard to get as many Democrats as possible to vote against Alito on the Senate floor. Anti-Alito protesters holding "Oppose Alito, Save Roe" and "Stop Alito" signs lined up outside the U.S. Capitol, hoping to sway some votes.

"Judge Alito's record as a professional ? both as a Justice Department official and as a judge ? reflects something more than a neutral judicial philosophy," Kohl said. He noted that Alito has refused to call the Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision "settled law."

Alito's record "suggests a judge who has strong views on a variety of issues, and uses the law to impose those views," Kohl said.

But Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., the committee's chairman and an abortion rights moderate, said he voted for Alito after questioning him on abortion at the confirmation hearings.

"On the issue of a woman's right to choose," he said, "it is my judgment that he went as far as he could go. He emphasized the factor of stare decisis and precedents, and the reliance factor."


I wonder why the obstructionist Democrats took it upon themselves to delay the inevitable.
 

Todd33

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I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.

BTW there is a leadership thread that is awaiting your update as the OP.
 

Starbuck1975

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I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, they have yet to articulate a reasonable argument as to why they think Alito does not belong on the Supreme Court...the Democrats won't filibuster the nomination, because it is an important election year, and public opinion seems mostly in favor of Alito.

There is more to a Supreme Court nomination then Roe Vs. Wade...one would think, based on the Democrats, that abortion is the only thing that the Supreme Court exists to preserve.

Alito stated he would respect precedent, which is a reasonable response to a hotly contested issue.

 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: Todd33
I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.

BTW there is a leadership thread that is awaiting your update as the OP.
They unanimously supported him when he was appointed to the US Court of Appeals. What's the huge difference that they went from full support to zero support?
 

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Todd33
I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.

BTW there is a leadership thread that is awaiting your update as the OP.
They unanimously supported him when he was appointed to the US Court of Appeals. What's the huge difference that they went from full support to zero support?


3 words...

"Roe vs Wade"

Sad, but true. That's all everyone seems to worry about. I don't give a rats butt about that as much as I don't want someone who wants more government/corporate power at the expense of losing ones individual rights. Probably won't matter much either way.
 

Genx87

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All 10 Republicans voted for Alito, while all eight Democrats voted against him. The partisan vote was almost preordained, with 15 of the 18 senators announcing their votes even before the committee's session began

Just makes you wonder why they bother if their mind is already made up.
 

CaptnKirk

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Is anyone in this forum even aware that this is the FIRST TIME that a Supreme Court Confirmation Vote
went ENTIRELY by Party Lines ?

In each and every vote in the past, throughout our nations history, at least one member of a party broke ranks
and either voted for or voted against a candidate - there's NEVER been a Lockstep Vote before.

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
This 'Power of the Mass-Block' will backfire on them big time, and they're going to regret what they did . . .
paybacks are hell - they're gonna suffer.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Genx87
All 10 Republicans voted for Alito, while all eight Democrats voted against him. The partisan vote was almost preordained, with 15 of the 18 senators announcing their votes even before the committee's session began

Just makes you wonder why they bother if their mind is already made up.

:thumbsup:

Why even waste the time to vote at all...in the full Senate or committee. Just rubberstamp the man in and get on to real business.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Todd33
I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.

BTW there is a leadership thread that is awaiting your update as the OP.
They unanimously supported him when he was appointed to the US Court of Appeals. What's the huge difference that they went from full support to zero support?

Don't be naive and repeat talking points. A 15 year old Court of Appeals recommendation does not mean he gets a pass for a much more important appointment. They don't need a specific talking point reason to vote against him, they find he is much more to the right of O'Connor and that in itself will move the court to the right. They have no reason to support that kind of shift. He also has a history of being pro-corporation, anti-abortion, pro-executive power, etc. What good reason is there for a liberal to vote for him?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

The ole two wrongs make a right argument. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

Look, I'm a lifelong Republican . . . and it's glaring what damage these buffoons are doing to the country
just so they can have their little glory time in the Sun - it's just plain stupid what's going on.

 

Lemon law

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If Alito tips the SC balance at Roe v Wade goes belly up-----that will be the end of the Republican party.
Unless the SC also disenfranchises women from the vote.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.-----and with 70% plus favoring Roe v Wade thats a lot of woman power. Might be wise for the Republicans to be careful of what they wish for. Voters will not hold it against the dems for not voting for Alito but they sure will hold it against Republicans if Alito is anywhere close to the wacko I think he is.--------the proof will be in the pudding when Alito swings the SC into full nut case mode.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Is anyone in this forum even aware that this is the FIRST TIME that a Supreme Court Confirmation Vote
went ENTIRELY by Party Lines ?

In each and every vote in the past, throughout our nations history, at least one member of a party broke ranks
and either voted for or voted against a candidate - there's NEVER been a Lockstep Vote before.

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
This 'Power of the Mass-Block' will backfire on them big time, and they're going to regret what they did . . .
paybacks are hell - they're gonna suffer.

"Uniter, not a divider..." my ass. Alito is a right-wing ideologue and his half-assed excuse that his published opinions over the years were merely his client's and not his own is beyond lame. Alito's appointment will taint the SCOTUS for decades...
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Is anyone in this forum even aware that this is the FIRST TIME that a Supreme Court Confirmation Vote
went ENTIRELY by Party Lines ?

In each and every vote in the past, throughout our nations history, at least one member of a party broke ranks
and either voted for or voted against a candidate - there's NEVER been a Lockstep Vote before.

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
TYHis 'Power of the Mass-Block' will backfire on them big time, and they're going to regret what they did . . .
paybacks are hell - they're gonna suffer.

"Uniter, not a divider..." my ass. Alito is a right-wing ideologue and his half-assed excuse that his published opinions over the years were merely his client's and not his own is beyond lame. Alito's appointment will taint the SCOTUS for decades...

Alito is so whacked-out, even Michael Chertoff thought his decisions were off-kilter.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Todd33
I wonder why the Republicans goose step and rubber stamp him. It was a party line vote, the Dems have no reason to vote for someone they don't think belongs on the SC.

BTW there is a leadership thread that is awaiting your update as the OP.
They unanimously supported him when he was appointed to the US Court of Appeals. What's the huge difference that they went from full support to zero support?

Don't be naive and repeat talking points. A 15 year old Court of Appeals recommendation does not mean he gets a pass for a much more important appointment. They don't need a specific talking point reason to vote against him, they find he is much more to the right of O'Connor and that in itself will move the court to the right. They have no reason to support that kind of shift. He also has a history of being pro-corporation, anti-abortion, pro-executive power, etc. Why good reason is there for a liberal to vote for him?

Confirming a SC judge is about if he will follow the constution, not what political belief he holds. If the congress feels this guy will go on a crusade they shouldnt vote for him, if they feel he will read the constitution and rule based on that then they should vote for him.

Somehow political ideologies and personal beliefs got interjected within this process and now people simply toss them out because of a personal belief like Roe v Wade. Nevermind the mountains of case law this guy has, if he doesnt agree with you on this ruling then toss him.

And this idea that if Alito is put on the court everything suddenly swings way to the right is nothing but political rhetoric.

 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

The ole two wrongs make a right argument. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:

Pointing fingers at A when B does the same. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If Alito tips the SC balance at Roe v Wade goes belly up-----that will be the end of the Republican party.
Unless the SC also disenfranchises women from the vote.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.-----and with 70% plus favoring Roe v Wade thats a lot of woman power. Might be wise for the Republicans to be careful of what they wish for. Voters will not hold it against the dems for not voting for Alito but they sure will hold it against Republicans if Alito is anywhere close to the wacko I think he is.--------the proof will be in the pudding when Alito swings the SC into full nut case mode.

Bunch of Crap, the propoganda from the left works on some people I see.

Overturning Roe v Wade doesnt outlaw abortion, it sends it back to the states to decide if Abortion is legal or not within their borders.

The Pro-abortion crowds has spewed this lie so much people really believe if Roe v Wade is overturned abortions become illegal overnight.

 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

The ole two wrongs make a right argument. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:

Pointing fingers at A when B does the same. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:

You're so god damn dumb that you just don't get it.

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

The ole two wrongs make a right argument. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:

Pointing fingers at A when B does the same. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:


Mind showing me where I pointed fingers? You did the pointing here pointing to Democrats. I never said either. Thanks...I'll be waiting....
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: Genx87
And this idea that if Alito is put on the court everything suddenly swings way to the right is nothing but political rhetoric.

I suppose you missed the important amount of 5-4 decisions that O'Connor was swing on. Guess which way they will go now? Not that you care, you support a court that is far to the right of the general public.

When you only have 9 votes and the swing is replaced by Scalia Jr. , then it is a "sudden swing" and not rhetoric.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....

The ole two wrongs make a right argument. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:

Pointing fingers at A when B does the same. Great job there! :thumbsup:

:roll:


Mind showing me where I pointed fingers? You did the pointing here pointing to Democrats. I never said either. Thanks...I'll be waiting....

I apologize. It was captkirk, not you, describing the 'every vote for the party' mentality
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

I am so dissapointed in the Senate and their lack of open thinking, especially the GOP and it's ham-handed
'every vote for the party' mentality - they are discarding the good of society just to have their way.
Of course, because the Democrats didnt do the exact same thing....


ya but the difference is that the republicans are selling their souls to big buisiness.
 

Starbuck1975

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Alito is a right-wing ideologue and his half-assed excuse that his published opinions over the years were merely his client's and not his own is beyond lame. Alito's appointment will taint the SCOTUS for decades...
Unfortunately for you, his record and statements do not support this argument.

If Alito tips the SC balance at Roe v Wade goes belly up-----that will be the end of the Republican party. Unless the SC also disenfranchises women from the vote.
Alito has already stated quite clearly that he will respect the precedent regardless of his own personal beliefs...however, there are many scenarios, particularly related to the field of medical science, that could potentially make the precedent obsolete.


 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Genx87
And this idea that if Alito is put on the court everything suddenly swings way to the right is nothing but political rhetoric.

I suppose you missed the important amount of 5-4 decisions that O'Connor was swing on. Guess which way they will go now? Not that you care, you support a court that is far to the right of the general public.

When you only have 9 votes and the swing is replaced by Scalia Jr. , then it is a "sudden swing" and not rhetoric.

Oh in your world we are taking the court from the far left then lmao.
You people and your extremes.