Juan Cole shows his a..

[TastesLikeChicken]

Recently two of the bloggers from IraqtheModel were brought to the US to speak at various organizations. These two guys are both Iraqi professionals, and write/speak English very well. They also have an optimistic outlook for Iraq and were/are still highly in favor of the US invasion of Iraq and the deposing of Saddam. I've been reading their blog almost since its inception.

Of course there are those Americans that can't tolerate actual Iraqis telling us that things may not be as bad as what the MSM constantly fills our heads with here in the States. One of those is that posterchild of the new liberal extreme, Juan Cole. He wrote an article on the bloggers loaded with accusations and tin-foil, trying his very best to disparage these young men.

http://www.juancole.com/2004/1...ing-world-on-iraq.html

Now it appears his column should be renamed "Uninformed Comment" as the blogosphere has shown Juan Cole for the hatefully little pos that he is.

http://www.buzzmachine.com/arc...2004_12_14.html#008665

That second, alias domain was registered as a favor to brothers Mohammed, Omar, and Ali by Jeff Reed, who runs a Texas hosting company called CIATech Solutions. The letters "CIA" were cause for suspicion to Joseph of Martini Republic, the author of the post from which Prof Cole spins his insinuations. All this and more is explained in two notes from Jeff Reed that were posted in the comments to the original Martini Republic post at http://martinirepublic.com/item/979 . It turns out the "CIA" in this case stands for Complex Internet Applications.

The irony is that the domain of Riverbend (riverbendblog.com) -- the bitterly anti-American blog by a 20-something Iraqi woman and the blog hailed by Prof Cole as more aligned with prevailing public opinion in Iraq -- was also registered by CIATech.

Juan Cole could have saved himself this bit of baseless paranoia with a simple Whois lookup, and by reading the comments at Martini Republic.

Fortunately, Juan Troll, erm, I meant "Cole" of course, has been exposed for the defeatist hack he is and he did it all by himself. Thanks for showing your ass shining so big and brightly JC. If your reputation hadn't already been tarnished previously by your mindless drivel, it's now going into meltdown.

Good riddance, bub. Please go back to brainwashing and corrupting young, impressionable minds on your campus.

 

[arsbanned]

Perhaps you would believe the truth when these 2 guys speak it. Or are they lying too. :roll:

Asked about his confidence in the secretary?s leadership, McCain recalled fielding a similar question a couple weeks ago. ?I said no. My answer is still no. No confidence,? McCain said.

Monday, Schwarzkopf said the Defense Department had badly misjudged the situation in Iraq. Reserve forces were rushed into urban combat ? ?toughest kind of fighting? ? without adequate training, and ?things have gone awry.?

?In the final analysis, I think we are behind schedule? in Iraq, Schwarzkopf said. ?... I don?t think we counted on it turning into jihad.?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6708495/
McCain has NO CONFIDENCE in the current game plan. Schwarzkopf says "things have gone awry". THat doesn't sound good coming from two of the biggest Bush cheerleaders ever.
Yet you want to believe it's like some fairy tale over there. Wait 'til the sh!t really hits the fan. Then we'll see about your nevernever land.

 

[burnedout]

Yeah, old Juan comes off looking like another "enlightened and tolerant", ivory tower-bound tard.

He maintains that the views of the Iraq the Model bloggers are "outside the mainstream of Iraqi public opinion" according to "public opinion polls". Needless to say, old Juan hasn't identified the polls yet.

Heh, at my age, it's a blast arguing with those types during some of the courses I've taken over the past 3 years.

 

[Arkali]

Sen. McCain and Gen Schwartzkopf are hateful little pieces of shit, new liberal extremes, and defeatist hacks. Untermenschen all around.

Goodbye Zypher106

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Perhaps you would believe the truth when these 2 guys speak it. Or are they lying too. :roll:

Asked about his confidence in the secretary?s leadership, McCain recalled fielding a similar question a couple weeks ago. ?I said no. My answer is still no. No confidence,? McCain said.

Monday, Schwarzkopf said the Defense Department had badly misjudged the situation in Iraq. Reserve forces were rushed into urban combat ? ?toughest kind of fighting? ? without adequate training, and ?things have gone awry.?

?In the final analysis, I think we are behind schedule? in Iraq, Schwarzkopf said. ?... I don?t think we counted on it turning into jihad.?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6708495/
McCain has NO CONFIDENCE in the current game plan. Schwarzkopf says "things have gone awry". THat doesn't sound good coming from two of the biggest Bush cheerleaders ever.
Yet you want to believe it's like some fairy tale over there. Wait 'til the sh!t really hits the fan. Then we'll see about your nevernever land.

Care to actually address the subject of the topic, Dan?

 

[arsbanned]

Nahh. Thanks anyway though. :thumbsup:

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: burnedout
Yeah, old Juan comes off looking like another "enlightened and tolerant", ivory tower-bound tard.

He maintains that the views of the Iraq the Model bloggers are "outside the mainstream of Iraqi public opinion" according to "public opinion polls". Needless to say, old Juan hasn't identified the polls yet.

Heh, at my age, it's a blast arguing with those types during some of the courses I've taken over the past 3 years.

He has named them. in his latest column although they were widely reported on when they come out:

My allegation that the IraqTheModel website is far outside the norm of Iraqi public opinion as measured by polling has caused a stir in the weblogging world among, apparently, dittoheads who can't read polls.

Here are the results of an April, 2004, Gallup poll, which was scientifically weighted and involved over 3000 face-to-face interviews all over the country.

On Balance, do you think of the Americans mostly as Occupiers or liberators?

Occupiers: 71 %
Liberators 19%

(43% reported that in April 2003, they had thought of the Americans as liberators).

How have the US Forces Conducted themselves?

58% said "fairly badly" or "very badly."

Asked if the US was serious about establishing democracy in Iraq:

50% said "no."
12% said "don't know."

Asked if attacks on US troops could be justified,

52% said "sometimes," "somewhat," or "completely."

The United States had an unfavorability rating of

54%

(and there wasn't a significant difference between the Shiites and the Sunni Arabs).

Only 31% favored a separation of mosque and state! (But 66% of Kurds did).

Only 30% of the Arab population favored a multiparty parliamentary democracy!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: burnedout
Yeah, old Juan comes off looking like another "enlightened and tolerant", ivory tower-bound tard.

He maintains that the views of the Iraq the Model bloggers are "outside the mainstream of Iraqi public opinion" according to "public opinion polls". Needless to say, old Juan hasn't identified the polls yet.

Heh, at my age, it's a blast arguing with those types during some of the courses I've taken over the past 3 years.

He has named them. in his latest column although they were widely reported on when they come out:

My allegation that the IraqTheModel website is far outside the norm of Iraqi public opinion as measured by polling has caused a stir in the weblogging world among, apparently, dittoheads who can't read polls.

Here are the results of an April, 2004, Gallup poll, which was scientifically weighted and involved over 3000 face-to-face interviews all over the country.

On Balance, do you think of the Americans mostly as Occupiers or liberators?

Occupiers: 71 %
Liberators 19%

(43% reported that in April 2003, they had thought of the Americans as liberators).

How have the US Forces Conducted themselves?

58% said "fairly badly" or "very badly."

Asked if the US was serious about establishing democracy in Iraq:

50% said "no."
12% said "don't know."

Asked if attacks on US troops could be justified,

52% said "sometimes," "somewhat," or "completely."

The United States had an unfavorability rating of

54%

(and there wasn't a significant difference between the Shiites and the Sunni Arabs).

Only 31% favored a separation of mosque and state! (But 66% of Kurds did).

Only 30% of the Arab population favored a multiparty parliamentary democracy!

And once again Cole cherry-picks only that which he wants you to see. How about some other findings from that same poll?

61% of Iraqis believe the ouster of Saddam Hussein was worth any hardships they have suffered. Only 28% said it was not.

More people polled believe Iraq is in a better situation than before the invasion (42% to 39%).

There wasn't a significant difference between Sunni and Shia? The poll findings disagree:

74% of those in Shia areas believe that Saddam's ouster was "worth it" while only 28% of those in heavily Sunni areas believe that.

30% of those in Sunni areas believe attacks on the coalition are "completely justified" while only 8% in Shia areas have the same sentiment. In the Sunni triangle area, the percentage of Sunni who believe attacks are completely justified rise to 62%.

And regardless of civilian casualties when fighting the insurgents, 53% of Iraqis responded they would feel "less safe" if the coalition left as opposed to 28% who would feel "more safe."

One last little tidbit. Of all the people polled, only 6% of them admitted to actually having any personal experience with US soldiers. iow, the rest were basing their opinion on what they heard or read from someone else. Kind of odd.

Also, Cole's biggest faux pas was accusing Iraqthe Model of somehow being in league with the CIA, due to the name of the place who registered them being CIATech (CIA standing for Complex Internet Applications). Did you notice Cole has conveniently ignored addressing that little bit of tin-foilism?

And one more thing. Why doesn't Cole offer to sponsor Riverbend to come to the US to speak? Why does Riverbend not give interviews, does not provide her real name, and does nto provide any sort of proof that she is who she claims to be? Yet Cole will glom onto her as the bastion of Iraqi opinion yet the ITM brothers he questions? Methinks he's got his measuring stick for veracity a bit skewed up.

 

[burnedout]

In related news, Kathleen Parker of the Union Leader, NH breaks the media silence on "Iraq The Model".

[Hat tip: former Time Magzine senior editor Tim Blair]

[...]

?Iraqis are grateful for what America did. Iraqis are grateful for the liberation of Iraq. They feel like they are not alone in their struggle.? Mohammed said that his countrymen ?had lived in the dark for 35 years,? and he and his brothers want to ?show the world a different story that they cannot see in the media.?

?I am free and I am enjoying my freedom,? he said. . . . .