Jones Act and the BP mess, I hope this isn't true

[highland145]

I tried to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, even supporting his moratorium on new drilling until I found out that they had added that to the report AFTER it was reviewed and that it went straight against the recommendations of the very experts they were consulting. But it's getting very hard to believe this is merely incompetence. Not even a community organizer could be this incompetent AND manage to also surround himself only with people who are also this stupid. It's getting hard for me to suppress my natural suspicions that Obama wants this to be as devastating as possible to pass glorious new Cap and Tax bill.

Let's not forget what will happen to the ~30 drilling platforms this effects. They will pick up and go to......Brazil. Who has big $$ invested in the Brazil oil? p-bo's boss. George Soros. Win for one of the richest lefties on the planet.

 

[Sclamoz]

WASHINGTON — National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen today announced the development of specific guidance to ensure accelerated processing of requests for Jones Act waivers should they be received as a part of the BP oil spill response.

Currently, 15 foreign-flagged vessels are involved in the largest response to an oil spill in U.S. history. No Jones Act waivers have been granted because none of these vessels have required such a waiver to conduct their operations in the Gulf of Mexico.

However, in order to prepare for any potential need, Admiral Allen has provided guidance to the Coast Guard Federal On-Scene Coordinator, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and the U.S. Maritime Administration to ensure any Jones Act waiver requests receive urgent attention and processing.

“While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” said Admiral Allen. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”

To date, the administration has leveraged assets and skills from numerous foreign countries and international organizations as part of this historic, all-hands-on-deck response, including Canada, Germany, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, the United Nations’ International Maritime Organization and the European Union’s Monitoring and Information Centre. In some cases, offers of international assistance have been turned down because the offer didn’t fit the needs of the response.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/660195/

 

[MotF Bane]

EPA regs "blocked" help as well



"Three days after the Gulf oil rig explosion, the Netherlands offered to send in oil skimmers to pump oil off of the surface of the ocean. The Obama Administration turned them down because they were not 100% efficient and small amounts of oil would be pumped back into the Gulf with the excess water. EPA regulations do not allow for residue water to contain any oil. So rather than use equipment that was not 100% efficient the Obama Administration chose to let all of the oil run into the Gulf."


"The U.S. Government has apparently reconsidered a Dutch offer to supply 4 oil skimmers. These are large arms that are attached to oil tankers that pump oil and water from the surface of the ocean into the tanker. Water pumped into the tanker will settle to the bottom of the tanker and is then pumped back into the ocean to make room for more oil. Each system will collect 5,000 tons of oil each day.


One ton of oil is about 7.3 barrels. 5,000 tons per day is 36,500 barrels per day. 4 skimmers have a capacity of 146,000 barrels per day. That is much greater than the high end estimate of the leak. The skimmers work best in calm water, which is the usual condition this time of year in the gulf."

"As of June 8th, BP reported that they have collected 64,650 barrels of oil in the Gulf. That is only a fraction of the amount of oil spilled from the well. That is less than one day’s rated capacity of the Dutch oil skimmers."

Admin also turned down a British offer because of paperwork.

http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010...des-to-accept-dutch-offer-to-help-with-spill/

Well that's fucking stupid.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Well that's fucking stupid.

Yeah ...

His cut and paste bullshit propaganda is getting quite tiresome.





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[Vette73]

"Dutch companies that manufacture the sweeping arm system first contacted BP officials April 23, three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, according to Mr. Huisman, who spoke by phone from his office in The Hague Tuesday. After receiving little reply, the companies turned to his department for help in reaching out to the US State Department, Huisman says.

“We specifically asked those companies that if you have a firm order from BP or the US government, then we can make the arrangements available,” he says. The US Coast Guard made a formal request for the systems May 18, according to Huisman….
Huisman and Koops would only speculate why recovery officials apparently waited about a month to request the technology. One reason may be Environmental Protection Agency regulations that prevent discharging oil-affected water back into the source."
​

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...xible-bureaucracy-96567184.html#ixzz0r7xMiPt0


So it was BP that "turned them down" first and OLD epa rules already in place that may keep them from being used.

In other words, it has nothing to do with Obama. But I guess all the nutters need to try and tie it to Obama some way.

Oh and this is from a right wing "newspaper".

 

[Patranus]

So it was BP that "turned them down" first and OLD epa rules already in place that may keep them from being used.

In other words, it has nothing to do with Obama. But I guess all the nutters need to try and tie it to Obama some way.

Oh and this is from a right wing "newspaper".

From your own link

On May 5, Crowley announced that 13 international offers had been received and that decisions on what to accept would be made “in the next day or two.” Two weeks later, the State Department said the government saw no reason to accept any of them.

 

[Vette73]

Opps try again...


US taps into foreign assistance for Gulf oil spill
http://www.petroleumworld.com/story10061506.htm

International aid offers already accepted include two skimmers and 2.6 miles (4.2 kilometers) of boom from Mexico, three sets of sweeping arm systems from the Netherlands and 1.86 miles (3.0 kilometers) of boom from Canada, the State Department said.

The State Department noted that it has assisted BP in directly sourcing equipment and technical experts from around the world, including from Algeria, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Canada, China, Denmark, Latvia, Norway, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan and the United Kingdom.

 

[highland145]

Opps try again...


US taps into foreign assistance for Gulf oil spill
http://www.petroleumworld.com/story10061506.htm

International aid offers already accepted include two skimmers and 2.6 miles (4.2 kilometers) of boom from Mexico, three sets of sweeping arm systems from the Netherlands and 1.86 miles (3.0 kilometers) of boom from Canada, the State Department said.

The State Department noted that it has assisted BP in directly sourcing equipment and technical experts from around the world, including from Algeria, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Canada, China, Denmark, Latvia, Norway, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan and the United Kingdom.

Dated 6/15/10

 

[Patranus]

Opps try again...

That article was written on June 15.
The oil spill happened on April 22.

 

[woolfe9999]

This is a complicated set of facts that people are trying to interpret for one political purpose or another. As such, it isn't worthy of any further discussion until we have a birdseye view of all the relevant facts.

- wolf

 

[Vette73]

That article was written on June 15.
The oil spill happened on April 22.

and. That was the current list of what has been accepted, not when it was accepted. It also shows that BP turned them down and they had to go through DoS to get there.

Again, Obama had nothing to do with it.

Keep spinning nutters.

 

[Darwin333]

"Dutch companies that manufacture the sweeping arm system first contacted BP officials April 23, three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, according to Mr. Huisman, who spoke by phone from his office in The Hague Tuesday. After receiving little reply, the companies turned to his department for help in reaching out to the US State Department, Huisman says.

“We specifically asked those companies that if you have a firm order from BP or the US government, then we can make the arrangements available,” he says. The US Coast Guard made a formal request for the systems May 18, according to Huisman….
Huisman and Koops would only speculate why recovery officials apparently waited about a month to request the technology. One reason may be Environmental Protection Agency regulations that prevent discharging oil-affected water back into the source."
​

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...xible-bureaucracy-96567184.html#ixzz0r7xMiPt0


So it was BP that "turned them down" first and OLD epa rules already in place that may keep them from being used.

In other words, it has nothing to do with Obama. But I guess all the nutters need to try and tie it to Obama some way.

Oh and this is from a right wing "newspaper".

Lol, are we really getting into the whole "but they did it first" game?

Look, we all know that BP is full of shit and not capable of handling this spill properly. Lets just get that out in the open. After all of this is said and done we can grab some beer and blame them all day long but in the meantime it is almost useless talking about their ineffectiveness because it obviously isn't going to change.

Yes, they did ask BP if they wanted the skimmers and when BP didn't respond they went to the state department who initially declined the offer, changing its mind a month later. A bunch of other countries went to the state department and were denied as well, from the article you linked to:

Four weeks after the nation's worst environmental disaster, the Obama administration saw no need to accept offers of state-of-the-art skimmers, miles of boom or technical assistance from nations around the globe with experience fighting oil spills.

On May 5, Crowley announced that 13 international offers had been received and that decisions on what to accept would be made “in the next day or two.” Two weeks later, the State Department said the government saw no reason to accept any of them.

"We'll let BP decide on what expertise they do need," State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid told reporters on May 19. "We are keeping an eye on what supplies we do need. And as we see that our supplies are running low, it may be at that point in time to accept offers from particular governments."

Dutch companies that manufacture the sweeping arm system first contacted BP officials April 23, three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, according to Mr. Huisman, who spoke by phone from his office in The Hague Tuesday. After receiving little reply, the companies turned to his department for help in reaching out to the US State Department, Huisman says.

“We specifically asked those companies that if you have a firm order from BP or the US government, then we can make the arrangements available,” he says. The US Coast Guard made a formal request for the systems May 18, according to Huisman….

Huisman and Koops would only speculate why recovery officials apparently waited about a month to request the technology. One reason may be Environmental Protection Agency regulations that prevent discharging oil-affected water back into the source.

Rejecting those offers (both BP and the Feds) could very well have cost us our coastline, our wildlife reserves, our estuaries, our oyster beds, the beaches in Alabama and soon to be Florida. They are still rejecting good ideas too. A company has a plan, including all required equipment and assets ready to go, to use planes to dispense a microbe that eats oil. It is completely non-toxic according to the EPA. You can even spray it directly on affected plants AND animals to clean the oil off.

Regular tankers can be converted into extremely high capacity "skimmers" very easily so you don't have to pump water back into the Gulf, a dozen of them would have made a world of difference 2 months ago. You know what we have right now? We have locals on jackup barges using WETVACS off the shelf from Home Depot to suck the oil off the surface of the water when it gets over the booms and threatens inland waters/coast.

The Feds have made so many mistakes so far that it is almost inconceivable that they are truly this incompetent. This is way worse than the response to Katrina probably due to the additional agencies being involved that evidently don't have each others phone numbers (if they actually could find the time to make a phone call between all the "cover your ass" that they are doing).

 

[piasabird]

Maybe the Jones Act is a racist law.

 

[werepossum]

Let's not forget what will happen to the ~30 drilling platforms this effects. They will pick up and go to......Brazil. Who has big $$ invested in the Brazil oil? p-bo's boss. George Soros. Win for one of the richest lefties on the planet.

LOL Follow the money.