Jon Stewert interview with Arkansas AG on their law banning gender affirming care for minors.

[HomerJS]

Excerpt from the total interview. Not only watch the discussion on the topic watch carefully how the AG follows the conservative debate playbook.

What do you think of not only the topic of parent's being able to obtain gender affirming care for their kids, but the way Jon Stewert and Leslie Rutlidge support their positions

 

[mect]

That was brutal. Jon Stewart wants to base policy on expert perspectives, the AG only wants to do so if those perspectives align with her own, otherwise lets go cherry pick for some fringe group that will say what we want.

 

[Pens1566]

If the majority of journalists acted like this, we'd live in a much better country.

These fucking ghouls need to be dragged like this in public repeatedly.

 

[interchange]

If you're gonna provide some specific figure (a ludicrous one at that) on recovery from gender dysphoria, you ought to have the source on it. If you are as involved as she is in trying to get the courts to accept their ban on gender-affirming care, I expect you to be more familiar off the cuff with some of the sources for your opinions. I imagine there was no misdirection for the context of this pre-arranged interview. She should have been prepared to back up her arguments here. Wish she had been raked over the coals harder in asserting "well I think it's important that all of those physicians, all of those experts, for every single one of them there's an expert that says we don't need to allow children to be able to take those medications".

 

[SMOGZINN]

Missed opportunity. This could have been a 'What a real journalist sounds like' thread.

 

[nakedfrog]

If you're gonna provide some specific figure (a ludicrous one at that) on recovery from gender dysphoria, you ought to have the source on it. If you are as involved as she is in trying to get the courts to accept their ban on gender-affirming care, I expect you to be more familiar off the cuff with some of the sources for your opinions. I imagine there was no misdirection for the context of this pre-arranged interview. She should have been prepared to back up her arguments here. Wish she had been raked over the coals harder in asserting "well I think it's important that all of those physicians, all of those experts, for every single one of them there's an expert that says we don't need to allow children to be able to take those medications".

I think I've found what they're referencing (via heritage.org of course) from the DSM-5, but of course they're stripping it of context and ignoring the rest of what the DSM-5 has to say on the matter. Imagine that.
I don't have ready access to the DSM-5 to see exactly what data they're using for that figure.

 

[darkswordsman17]

That was brutal. Jon Stewart wants to base policy on expert perspectives, the AG only wants to do so if those perspectives align with her own, otherwise lets go cherry pick for some fringe group that will say what we want.

No, they don't. They regularly admit they fucking hate "experts" and literally think them just believing whatever the fuck they want is equal to all the knowledge and study that professionals in the specific fields have. You see this constantly with people, and right wingers always pull this "well I don't care what the experts say because I'm sure there's as many experts that disagree" even when shown that there can be like thousands of experts that support one side, if there's a single one that disagrees (even if they have to lie about what they even disagree about), they'll do it and act like its equal. Its a false dichotomy. Their brains are simply broken and they admit as much but then demand that we agree with them.

And the more that objective reality disagrees with them, the more they're willing to keep digging down. Its the sunk cost fallacy of logic, where they get duped by something minor, but they can't admit as much, so then they start supporting ever more ludicrous shit in order to keep from having to admit they were wrong.

Its how many of the flat-Earthers ended up where they were. They started by getting duped by some small conspiracy theory or nonsense (not joking, for many its belief in Bigfoot or UFOs - and by believe in UFOs I mean belief in the alien mythology that's formed by nutjobs post Roswell), and then they fall for other ones, and then they end up at the point "well they've lied about all this other stuff, so why wouldn't they lie about the Earth being flat?" Even when they can perform scientific tests that refute that. They still cannot just accept that they're wrong about any aspect.

 

[cytg111]

She is cherry picking experts like Trump is picking judges.

..... Rigged. Its rigged.

 

[mect]

No, they don't. They regularly admit they fucking hate "experts" and literally think them just believing whatever the fuck they want is equal to all the knowledge and study that professionals in the specific fields have. You see this constantly with people, and right wingers always pull this "well I don't care what the experts say because I'm sure there's as many experts that disagree" even when shown that there can be like thousands of experts that support one side, if there's a single one that disagrees (even if they have to lie about what they even disagree about), they'll do it and act like its equal. Its a false dichotomy. Their brains are simply broken and they admit as much but then demand that we agree with them.

And the more that objective reality disagrees with them, the more they're willing to keep digging down. Its the sunk cost fallacy of logic, where they get duped by something minor, but they can't admit as much, so then they start supporting ever more ludicrous shit in order to keep from having to admit they were wrong.

Its how many of the flat-Earthers ended up where they were. They started by getting duped by some small conspiracy theory or nonsense (not joking, for many its belief in Bigfoot or UFOs - and by believe in UFOs I mean belief in the alien mythology that's formed by nutjobs post Roswell), and then they fall for other ones, and then they end up at the point "well they've lied about all this other stuff, so why wouldn't they lie about the Earth being flat?" Even when they can perform scientific tests that refute that. They still cannot just accept that they're wrong about any aspect.

They do this only because their perspective so rarely aligns with that of the experts. Just watch for any rare occasion where it does align with an expert consensus, and suddenly they are completely in favor of listening to what the experts have to say. They have zero worries about consistency or honesty.

 

[kitkat22]

Great article. Not straight from DSM5 but accessible with tons of very relavent studies. Straight from the APA.

What is Gender Dysphoria?

Learn about gender dysphoria, including symptoms, risk factors, treatment options and answers to common questions.

www.psychiatry.org

 

[skyking]

Great article. Not straight from DSM5 but accessible with tons of very relavent studies. Straight from the APA.

What is Gender Dysphoria?

Learn about gender dysphoria, including symptoms, risk factors, treatment options and answers to common questions.

www.psychiatry.org

short but complete. Thank you for posting that up.