Johnnie Cochran threatens to sue the NFL...

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lucky

The complaint is Blacks arn't given a fair opportunity in the interview process nor are they retained dispite having a better track record with more wins.. The NFL should address this ..

Nonsense. This "track record" is based one FIVE coaches have an average of 1.1 wins more per season. Not exactly a large sample, or large deviation. There is no way you can take those statistics and extrapolate them for anything meaningful.

Comparing white players to black coaches is not right since white players are being interviewed

And cochran wants to FORCE the NFL to interview coaches even if the team/owner does not believe they are qualified.

Whos fault is that ther's only 5 to take a reprsentative sample? Even so Blacks coaches still win more and are fired easier based one the small number.

I like AA so I see it as they are "encourageing " the NFL to be more reprsentative of America and more importantly thier players. No one says they have to hire them just give them a fair shot. Also NFL teams would be exempt from any AA guildlines because they are too small.

 

[HappyPuppy]

I'm surprised that nobody has put out a contract on Johnny C. If he would only piss off the Italians.........

 

[Lucky]

Whos fault is that ther's only 5 to take a reprsentative sample? Even so Blacks coaches still win more and are fired easier based one the small number.

The point is that it is statistically unreliable to make that statement based upon such a small sample. It's crap. Pure bullsh*t. If you flip a coin 5 times, and it comes up tails 4 of the 5 times, you wouldn't say tails is more likely to land up than heads, would you? If you did, you'd be pretty stupid.

 

[ElFenix]

someone once said ed mccaffrey would make more if he were black... who was it? randy moss maybe? chris carter? hmmm

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Whos fault is that ther's only 5 to take a reprsentative sample? Even so Blacks coaches still win more and are fired easier based one the small number.

The point is that it is statistically unreliable to make that statement based upon such a small sample. It's crap. Pure bullsh*t. If you flip a coin 5 times, and it comes up tails 4 of the 5 times, you wouldn't say tails is more likely to land up than heads, would you? If you did, you'd be pretty stupid.

I understand. But can we agree that a majority of NFL players are black. Can we also agree almost 100% of all NFL coaches are former NFL players themselves. Then it would stand to reason, if no bias existed, the majority of NFL coaches should be black. But that's not the case or even close to it. One black coach currently (if you count1/4 indian 1/2 german 1/4 black Edwards) that makes two is hardly proportional to former players. If you don't see the bias that exists you must pertty blind.

 

[XZeroII]

I have a great idea. Why not just have all black coaches one year, then all white coaches the next year. Heck, why not just have a white NFL and a black NFL. This would be even better because it would cause more tention between races than cochran's method.

 

[TallBill]

Or, how about the best people get the job. Period.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: bob970
Or, how about the best people get the job. Period.

Strange idea there, young fella!

Why in the world would a team owner not hire a black coach if that coach were capable of winning more games?

 

[Martin]

is he gonna use the Chewbacca offence?

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
screw that

I SAY TEHY SHOULD START HIRING ASIANS AS HEAD COACHES!

WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY EVER PLAY THE YELLOW CARD HUH

They keep getting in car wrecks on the way to the first game, why else?




The above statement is a joke, if you took it personally, not only are you too uptight for your own good, but also a moron. If this statement offends you, you are beyond hope and should look into shooting some potassium chloride up.

 

[Lucky]

Why in the world would a team owner not hire a black coach if that coach were capable of winning more games?

Heh, that's a good point.

A head coach is not made instantly. I would guess that it takes 15-20 years of coaching experience before a coach typically becomes "heach coach". I'm sure no doubt there was some racism in the past, as that diminishes and blacks hold more and more coaching jobs, they will work themselves higher and higher up the ladder.

Blacks make up a highly disproportionate percentage of players; as was said, teams be forced to consider population-proportionate amounts of white players? No. You pick players on ability, exactly how coaches should, and are now, picked.

 

[Zebo]

Q]Why in the world would a team owner not hire a black coach if that coach were capable of winning more games?[/quote]

Owners have to deal with a coach and GM personally and daily. They are all old rich white men. Who are they familiar with, who did they grow up with and who do they like doing business with? Other White men. It's the old 'cut off thier nose to spite thier face', meaning to exude thier bias by which they come off the worse in the longrun. But who cares? , thier garranteed a profit win or loose. And they sure as hell don't want to deal with a black man in a intimate business relationship. It's the only explination considering the numbers of player to coach path. Unless, of course, white coaches have a better understanding of the game, call better plays, and can modivate the players better than their black couterparts. Try and prove that notwithstanding the small black coach sample given in the story which clearly shows blacks are more succesful. There's a bias and you guys know it.

A head coach is not made instantly. I would guess that it takes 15-20 years of coaching experience before a coach typically becomes "heach coach". I'm sure no doubt there was some racism in the past, as that diminishes and blacks hold more and more coaching jobs, they will work themselves higher and higher up the ladder.

Here are some stories of the plethera of succesful black coaches waiting to get thie shot at the NFL front office.

Discrimination if the NFL

Black college coaches still waiting their turn despite pro successes
A waiting game that's too long
Black coaches Assn has a full expose
Ready, Waiting and Able ... where are the black head coaches?

You pick players on ability, exactly how coaches should, and are now, picked.

After reading some of those links I posted I hope you still don't feel that's the case.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: Commish
"One bad year and you're out,'' he said. "There seems to be a lack of patience as far as black coaches are concerned.''


Yep, that sure happend with Dennis Green in Minnesota after nine years of mediocrity. He's gone now, but, he definitely left a mark, i.e., no defense, and a whiny punk wide receiver with a QB that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Damn straight!!!!!!!!!!!:|:|

 

[Lucky]

After reading some of those links I posted I hope you still don't feel that's the case.

Nope, I don't feel that's the case generally. Half of your link didn't even deal with the NFL.

From one of the articles:

Working to enhance the causes of coaches such as Strong is the Black Coaches Association, which, according to executive director Floyd Keith, sent every football-playing college at every level a list of around 50 names of prospective black head-coaching candidates last fall. Once jobs started opening, the BCA called those schools to remind them of the list. It also updated it.

But instead of giving a rising, qualified black candidate a chance, schools such as Stanford and Indiana hired retreads in Buddy Teevens and Gerry DiNardo, respectively. When was the last time a black coach who had lost a head-coaching job was hired for another in the college ranks?

Jesus, no wonder they aren't interested. I dont know if I'd want to either after I was done listening to them nagging me to hire a black coach.

And the sad truth is that many don?t want to see their Alma Mater led onto the field by a black coach.

Nonsense. A very tiny percentage, perhaps. Most people want their teams to WIN, just as an owner in the NFL would. An owner would doubly want to win because it means more cash in his pocket.


One of your other links said exactly I said earlier:

Furthermore, the path to a head coaching position usually requires a previous stop as a head coach or a coordinator. Such was the case for 27 of the last 38 new hires in Division I-A. Unfortunately, the pipeline is not rife with black coaches that possess such experience and therein lies a problem that often gets overlooked. Until talented position coaches get promoted to positions of greater authority (i.e. coordinators or assistant head coaches) or accomplished NFL coaches like Dennis Green, Marvin Lewis and Art Shell decide to take over a major college program, their odds of securing the top job at a university will be greatly diminished.