John Stossel's Special, not much was said about it on this board!

[AaronP]

Dudes, that thing was great, he showed how the schools are brainwashing our children! How the teachers are forcing their liberal left wing agenda onto the students and saying its fact.

He said that while global warming is happening, the earth is still MUCH colder than it used to be.

He talked about genetic engineering in foods and BGH in cows. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that these things are harmful, and in fact the enviromentalists and hippies who protest them are causing the death and starvation of many Africans.

All those zombies like Bill Maher who spout their west hollywood liberalism and preach it as gospel truth should take a close look at this special and see how stupid they are.

some facts from the Stossel special:

The US has the same amount of forest coverage and natural forests that it had 80 years ago.

Global warming is happening, however the earth is MUCH cooler now than it used to be. (Is it worth it to spend TRILLIONS of dollars on sketchy science?)

One landfill that is 11 square miles and 100 yards deep would be big enough to take all of AMERICA'S garbage for 100 fricken year!

Pollution is DOWN significantly from where it was in the early 1970's.

Genetic foods and BGH increase productivity and help people in starving nations with NO evidence of harm to humans.

Recycling causes a lot of waste!
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So to all that I say, GIVE ME MY BGH LADEN MILK, let me throw my newpapers and glass bottles in with the regular trash (I do anyways), and let me have a STYROFOAM BONFIRE BABY! It gets COLD in Wisconsin during the winter and I wouldn't mind a little temp increase!

 

[Urinal Mint]

hahahaha awesome. I love the truth!

 

[GasX]

I like John Stossel. He has a good way of keeping things interesting and not too sensationalistic as is all too common nowadays.

 

[Linflas]

Lots of young people here and no doubt they have been thoroughly indoctrinated by the very thing that program tried to illustrate. Just take a look in any of the threads where environmental topics are discussed here to see numerous examples.

 

[MrBond]

Brainwashing students is not uncommon. I remember when my younger sister was in 5th grade, and the school was trying to get a bond issue passed for additions to the school, which consisted of a massive new gymnasium and locker rooms, and 6 new classrooms. Her teacher told the class that if the bond issue didn't pass, they'd have to bring in trailers where classes would be taught to make up the lack of classrooms. The children were instructed to go home and tell their parents this to get them to vote 'Yes' on the issue.

Recently, in the same school district, they're trying to pass another bond issue to build a new spring sports complex. The sports trainer on staff has told all the spring atheletes that the track they're running on (the same track that numerous state champion teams practiced on) is going to cause them severe back problems later in life. It's funny though, because being a small town, most of the star atheletes of the past have stayed in the town. And their backs are fine. The track isn't any different in condition...they just want a new one for bragging rights.

It makes me sick. But it can't be stopped, you can only teach your children its happening and that they are allowed to think for themselves

 

[GasX]

<< hahahaha awesome. I love the truth! >>


You need to read some PJ O'Rourke then...

 

[GL]

I only caught the part about global warming and he construed the facts to fit his message. Of course the earth is cooler than it used to be. But humans couldn't live in the earth that was much warmer. That's why we didn't exist. I proceeded to change the channel knowing that it was a blatant attempt to cause controversy with wishy washy factual interpretations. It's no better than the left-wing propaganda.

 

[Linflas]

<< You need to read some PJ O'Rourke then... >>


Funny thing is that I have been reading PJ O'Rourke since I was a teenager and seem to have pretty much taken the same trip. Another guy that I have been reading since I was a teen was David Horowitz. It is amazing to watch him employ the tactics he learned as a radical in the 60's against today's PC crowd.

 

[syzygy]

oops. double post. see below :Q

 

[Urinal Mint]

Any specific readings from either O'Rourke or Horowitz?

 

[snakesnfrogs]

right here

 

[CinderElmo]

While I dislike extremists on either side of the environmental situation, it was funny to watch John BURN that one woman who was teaching the kids something that John pointed out was a lie.

Can anyone remember what she got burned on? I *think* it was on growth hormones in cows...she said the US was the only country that used it but actually that was false. I could be wrong but he nonetheless burned her a$$ good! I hate liers.

 

[ucdnam]

What? You didn't know that schools brainwash children? I thought that was basic to our educational system.

I didn't see the segment, so I really can't comment on anything. It seems as though the main reasons why environmentalists bitch and moan is that they do not fully understand what is going on and whatever is occurring isn't &quot;natural&quot; because man is changing everything.

Global warming is happening, however the earth is MUCH cooler now than it used to be. (Is it worth it to spend TRILLIONS of dollars on sketchy science?)
Maybe because of humans, the earth isn't as cool as it's suppose to be. Who knows. The fact is that global warming is important and scientific studies should be conducted to study the effects. If there were no studies done, we wouldn't know if there is such a thing as global warming and if we should even care about it. Oh, what are those holes over the poles anyway?

One landfill that is 11 square miles and 100 yards deep would be big enough to take all of AMERICA'S garbage for 100 fricken year!
That 11 square mile of land has to come from somewhere. It's not going to be placed in the woods and it won't be located near any city due to leakage of gases into the air and liquids into the ground.

 

[yellowperil]

Also if recycling is done on a large scale, it seems obvious that there'd be some waste. But what are the benefits vs. costs? Why make a political issue out of recycling?

 

[AaronP]

yeah, she said something like &quot;The US is the ONLY country that uses these hormones&quot;

and then he had a list of like 40 countrys scoll by on the screen. LOL

It was really funny in the beginning when he said &quot;after being brainwashed by envormental groups, these parents rescinded their consent for their children to be interviewed. So we interviewed a different group of children.&quot; HAHA LOL. stick it to em Johny.

 

[Modeps]

yeah, i posted a thread when it was actually on tv. thanks snakesnfrogs.

 

[Urinal Mint]

<< That 11 square mile of land has to come from somewhere. It's not going to be placed in the woods and it won't be located near any city due to leakage of gases into the air and liquids into the ground. >>


That's what New Mexico was for, I thought.

 

[Linflas]

<< Any specific readings from either O'Rourke or Horowitz? >>


Lots of David Horowitz here.
PJ's site is here.
PJ used to write for and was the editor of The National Lampoon in the early 70's.

 

[syzygy]

i like stossel. but your post contains a hodgepodge of claims and
questionable 'facts' that cannot be argued all at once. where to
begin, where to end. some of these issues shoudn't even be
grist for idiot ideologues.

global warming, imho, is a purely scientific issue that should
be argued on the merits and not made fodder for political partisans.



<< He said that while global warming is happening, the earth is
still MUCH colder than it used to be. >>



what do you think the odds are i can find an egghead or two who
will roll out statistical sheets yards long to support the opposite ?



<< He talked about genetic engineering in foods and BGH in cows. There
is no scientific evidence whatsoever that these things are harmful, and
in fact the enviromentalists and hippies who protest them are causing
the death and starvation of many Africans. >>



did stossel not tell you that there is a slow inexorable tide towards
genetically modified agricultural production both here in the states
and abroad. whether the foods themselves are labeled organic or not,
free of from this or that pesticide, farmers are turning to modified
technological production in greater numbers. a simple web search would
prove this.



<< The US has the same amount of forest coverage and natural forests
that it had 80 years ago >>



true, but why ? is it because we've allowed indutries to run amock
without regulations to check their production methods ? or is it
because of the legion of conservation laws (i.e. establishing preserves,
federally protected lands, huge tracts of untouchable terrain, totally
off-limits to industry) that have been championed by these same 'liberal-
minded ninkapoops' ?



<< Pollution is DOWN significantly from where it was in the early 1970's >>



grin. again, care to guess why ?



<< Genetic foods and BGH increase productivity and help people in starving
nations with NO evidence of harm to humans >>



and many of these starving nations have welcomed the technology, although
at economically limited pace. many of the liberal ideologues in these
nations have not voiced any concern with possible frankenstein dangers
genetically modified foods supposedly pose. are these liberal mongers
less liberal than their american or european counterparts ?

 

[GL]

The way I see it, the mainstream media comprise today's pulpit preachers. Listen to them about their opinions, but their interpretations of the observable world are pretty damn lousy. If you want to see what's the best car to drive, don't listen to Consumer Reports. Likewise, don't listen to ABC who will force feed you for an hour about 10 issues that people have devoted their entire lives to and only scratched the surface.

 

[GasX]

PJ O'Rourke Books:

All The Trouble In The World: specifically addresses the environment among other things
Parliament of Whores: an extremely irreverent and insightful look at the US government

These two are particularly political. ALL of his books are eminently enjoyable.

 

[AaronP]

syzygy, the point of saying that there's more forest cover now and that there's less polution about the reasons for this, the point I was tyring to make (and I failed) is that EVEN THOUGH the pollution is down and the forests are as big as they were in the 1920's, the liberal education system is using scare tactics and the equivalent of pol pot like brainwashing to make kids think that things are getting WORSE. they are NOT.

 

[GL]

When it comes to politics, here's the best advice. Things are never as good as political types tell you. And things are never as bad as political types tell you. Understand these boundaries, and the truth will come a lot easier.

 

[Prince of Persia]

I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong manner.

Do you honestly think scientiest said, ok guys in the future the temps will warm up so lets start acting now, that people would act? People only act when its already too late.

Yes, it may have been hyped up issues that aren't as severe as we previously thought. However, don't you think its better that we aim to live towards a cleaner existence. After all better safe than sorry.

 

[Linflas]

syzygy

<< global warming, imho, is a purely scientific issue that should
be argued on the merits and not made fodder for political partisans. >>


and


<< what do you think the odds are i can find an egghead or two who
will roll out statistical sheets yards long to support the opposite ? >>


You are correct here and this is really the big problem. Scientists have been studying this now for 30 years and producing peer reviewed papers all over the spectrum which is as it should be. The geologic record indicates many periods of significant warming and cooling in the history of this planet. I think all moderate people would want to see is that both sides of the issue are presented fairly in media rather than the situation now where global warming due to human activity is presented as fact. The research is still in its infancy and nothing should be being presented as fact to base policy on at this point.