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155 Year Old Tradition Thrown Away
ANNAPOLIS, Md. - A Naval Academy tradition that lasted 155 years has come to an end: The Marine Corps sentries who guarded the gates and the crypt of Revolutionary War Capt. John Paul Jones have been withdrawn and sent to war.

The four dozen Marines were released from their security duties in a ceremony on Friday and are being replaced by Navy enlisted personnel.

"Pray for them, for many of them are going into harm's way," a chaplain said in an invocation for the departing members of the Naval Academy Company, Marine Barracks.

The Marines have provided security at the gates and for dignitaries' visits and special events on the academy campus since before the Civil War. They also performed largely ceremonial duties, including standing guard outside the crypt of Jones, one of the founders of the Navy.

"They've done much more, in their ability to look tough but remain pleasant," said Vice Adm. Rodney Rempt, the academy superintendent.

Dozens of military installations across the nation have turned to civilian security officers in recent years, and the Navy is leaving that option open for the academy. The U.S. Military Academy at West Point brought on a private security firm in 2004.

The sentries will bolster U.S. forces stretched thin by deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Obviously, we can use those Marines in more significant roles," said Gary Solis, a West Point professor and former official historian for the Marine Corps who frequently lectures at the Naval Academy. "But it's too bad a tradition like that has to end."
This news simply makes me quietly sad. For me, it is a telling metaphor of the real attitude of our chicken-hawk run administration towards Americans in uniform. :(
 

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I find it pretty pathetic that we are resorting to "mall cops" and "rent a cops" to guard military sites now.

I have a great idea......let's use them to work detail at Bush's appearances. He seems to have the utmost faith in them. The Secret Service has much more important things to do with their time.
 

Pabster

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You have a problem with them actually serving on the field of battle rather than standing around twiddling their thumbs?

Or could it be you just needed an Anti-Bush story for this morning?
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
You have a problem with them actually serving on the field of battle rather than standing around twiddling their thumbs?

Or could it be you just needed an Anti-Bush story for this morning?

I have a problem with a$$holes who sit at keyboards and type as though they think that anyone that disents to the "war" in Iraq or this president's actions are weak and non-supportive of the troops instead of getting off of their cowardly little sh*t-shooters and signing up to actually put the rest of the body where they mouth is....on the front lines!
 

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They are not replacing the Marines with civilians.

They are using sailors to perform the watch.


For me, it is a telling metaphor of the real attitude of our chicken-hawk run administration towards Americans in uniform.

Please explain why you have to take an article and twist the story with your comment?
 

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It does seem rather depressing that we have to loot the outskirts of our military. What's next, the Navy Band?

And EagleKeeper, your sig is misleading. The F-15 has never been shot down in AIR-TO-AIR combat. Many have been lost to ground fire.
 

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Originally posted by: slash196
It does seem rather depressing that we have to loot the outskirts of our military. What's next, the Navy Band?

Worse, the Salvation Army Band.

 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
They are not replacing the Marines with civilians.

They are using sailors to perform the watch.


For me, it is a telling metaphor of the real attitude of our chicken-hawk run administration towards Americans in uniform.

Please explain why you have to take an article and twist the story with your comment?
When we have a Corps without enough Marines to stand honor guard for Capt. John Paul Jones, fer chrisssakes, a tradition that has stood for 155 years including the Civil Was, the Spanish-American War, World War l, WW II, Korea AND Vietnam, something is WAY wrong at the top , no matter how much you want to put this on me.



 

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So given the circumstances, they pull Marines to to the fighting and let the sailors handle the dog and pony activites.

Or they could increase the recruiting levels to beef up the marines and/or cancel the drawndowns of forces that the US Congres and others desire.
Then there could be the draft.

Either way; the military feels they need the combat trained marines to do the jobs they were trained for. that is for the Marine corp/Dept of the Navy (which the USMC falls under) to decide how to handle the manpower requirements.

Would it be better to assign untrained sailors to a Marine rifle company going into combat?
 

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Even with $40,000 elistment bonuses and $90,000 re-enlistment bonuses they simply can't get combat boots on the ground. I guess that's still not enough to get your ass shot off in a unnessary conflict to the kids out there so the aministration have no other choice but to grab these kids who are already contractually commited.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
You have a problem with them actually serving on the field of battle rather than standing around twiddling their thumbs?

Or could it be you just needed an Anti-Bush story for this morning?

The sentries will bolster U.S. forces stretched thin by deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

There aren't many troops in Afghanistan. U.S. forces are stretched thin by the unnecessary deployment in IRAQ.

How desperate is the U.S. military for personnel? Well, along with lowering the qualifications for enlistees down to the 16th percentile, the US Army raises enlistment age to 40.

Nice work, George, you idiot.

Mission Accomplished yet? Or can you somehow manage to do what you're best at and make matters even worse?
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
So given the circumstances, they pull Marines to to the fighting and let the sailors handle the dog and pony activites.

Or they could increase the recruiting levels to beef up the marines and/or cancel the drawndowns of forces that the US Congres and others desire.
Then there could be the draft.

Either way; the military feels they need the combat trained marines to do the jobs they were trained for. that is for the Marine corp/Dept of the Navy (which the USMC falls under) to decide how to handle the manpower requirements.

Would it be better to assign untrained sailors to a Marine rifle company going into combat?

LOL, Iraq is a desert, they don't need no stinkin' sailors!!

I thought the Marines were still reaching theier enlistment quota's?? They must be using them to make up for the lack of Army and Guard enlistments?

 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Would it be better to assign untrained sailors to a Marine rifle company going into combat?
Totally false dichtomy, unworthy of a response.

 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
You have a problem with them actually serving on the field of battle rather than standing around twiddling their thumbs?

Or could it be you just needed an Anti-Bush story for this morning?

Hmm, does the John Paul Jones Honor Guard have a tradition of being manned by Marines deserving? Probably. Now, the honor is deferred until the Iraq is solved. Artillerymen and tank soldiers have been converted into 'boots' in Iraq. The troop strength in South Korea has been pulled down and so has the reserve in Japan and Hawaii to support Iraq. It is no surprise that the Marine Corp, the smallest and most heavily tasked component is being bottom barrel scraped. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the Old Guard is also under pressure keep the garden tended.

 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
So given the circumstances, they pull Marines to to the fighting and let the sailors handle the dog and pony activites.

Or they could increase the recruiting levels to beef up the marines and/or cancel the drawndowns of forces that the US Congres and others desire.
Then there could be the draft.

Either way; the military feels they need the combat trained marines to do the jobs they were trained for. that is for the Marine corp/Dept of the Navy (which the USMC falls under) to decide how to handle the manpower requirements.

Would it be better to assign untrained sailors to a Marine rifle company going into combat?

LOL, Iraq is a desert, they don't need no stinkin' sailors!!

I thought the Marines were still reaching theier enlistment quota's?? They must be using them to make up for the lack of Army and Guard enlistments?

keep in mind that theres like a six month time period between when they enlist and when they get sent off to the sandbox. i've got a buddy that enlisted in the marines around last september. i talked to him 2 weeks ago and so far they've told him that earliest he'll leave the country is july maybe later depending on if they put him in some company thats going to be going to fallujah. its possible that they had a recruiting hiccup last year and its just being felt now.
 

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What next replace the "Presidents Own" with the Crawford High School Band? :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
They are not replacing the Marines with civilians.

They are using sailors to perform the watch.


For me, it is a telling metaphor of the real attitude of our chicken-hawk run administration towards Americans in uniform.

Please explain why you have to take an article and twist the story with your comment?

Why not leave it like it is, Bush bootlicker?

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