John P. Holdren, assistant to President Barack Obama for science and technology.

[GeezerMan]

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Looks like John P. Holdren, assistant to President Barack Obama for science and technology, is an advocate of wealth re-distribution.
I know nothing about this web page, it appears to be a conservative page, BUT the quotes with page numbers are hard to refute. Yes, it's an old book, but there are quotes from much more recent statements of Holdren as well .

"de-development of overdeveloped countries...should be given top priority" (p. 926), and such nations -- e.g., the United States and the developed West -- should "divert their excess productivity into helping the poorer people of the world rather than exploiting them" (p. 931).

Holdren and the Ehrlichs call for a "considerably more equitable distribution of wealth and income" in the United States, offering in passing, "Possibly this would be achieved by some formal mechanism" (p. 875).

 

[TheBDB]

divert their excess productivity into helping the poorer people of the world rather than exploiting them

Oh the horror.

 

[sandorski]

From what I can see, that's pretty much what has been happening the last couple Decades.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
divert their excess productivity into helping the poorer people of the world rather than exploiting them

Oh the horror.

How about doing neither?

 

[GeezerMan]

The problem we have today is greed. A greed that exploits the third world, and more recently, the middle class too. A greed and power grab greatly accelerated by the neocons under Bush II.

The answer is not to try socialism, which is defined oh so well by Holdren and Ehrlichs "considerably more equitable distribution of wealth and income" in the United States, offering in passing, "Possibly this would be achieved by some formal mechanism" (p. 875).

John Adams said in 1798, ?Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other,?

 

[irwincur]

Why the hell would we try Socialism when pretty much all of the remaining Socialist nations are dropping it like a rock? Unless you count Chavez, the only blip on Socialisms radar in decades - and he is a nutjob that has destroyed his nation.

A greed and power grab greatly accelerated by the neocons under Bush II.

And honestly, I am pretty sick of hearing this one. I wonder why almost all of the major players in the ecomic crisis now have jobs in the Obama administration?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Why the hell would we try Socialism when pretty much all of the remaining Socialist nations are dropping it like a rock? Unless you count Chavez, the only blip on Socialisms radar in decades - and he is a nutjob that has destroyed his nation.

A greed and power grab greatly accelerated by the neocons under Bush II.

And honestly, I am pretty sick of hearing this one. I wonder why almost all of the major players in the ecomic crisis now have jobs in the Obama administration?

Protip: You are not try "Socialism".

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Why the hell would we try Socialism when pretty much all of the remaining Socialist nations are dropping it like a rock? Unless you count Chavez, the only blip on Socialisms radar in decades - and he is a nutjob that has destroyed his nation.

A greed and power grab greatly accelerated by the neocons under Bush II.

And honestly, I am pretty sick of hearing this one. I wonder why almost all of the major players in the ecomic crisis now have jobs in the Obama administration?

I have no affection for Obama or Bush. The Patriot Act is a bill of rights power grab. Frontline did an excellent story last year on the executive power grab. Bush certainly was a big friend to the military industrial complex, and big business. He would have sealed the southern border for terrorism reasons except big business likes slave labor.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
divert their excess productivity into helping the poorer people of the world rather than exploiting them

Beats bombing them, doesn't it?

It's so amazing watching the nationalist cockroaches come out of the woodwork when a benevolent president like Obama comes along and wants to help rather than kill.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TheBDB
divert their excess productivity into helping the poorer people of the world rather than exploiting them

Beats bombing them, doesn't it?

It's so amazing watching the nationalist cockroaches come out of the woodwork when a benevolent president like Obama comes along and wants to help rather than kill.

Oh Lordie. So the neocon fascist military industrial complex, which has no resemblance to traditional conservatism, bomb and exploit the third world for profit ( I agree that they do that) , and the answer is to have peaceful Obama redistribute the wealth? I would be almost for it , almost, if the money was taken from these elite thieves and given back to the third world. The problem is they always get away with it ( bailouts and bonuses) , and the middle class is left holding the bag.

 

[OCGuy]

What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

None of which will make us any broke-er. In fact, UHC will quite likely make us wealthier.

 

[BarrySotero]

BO & Co are a haunted house. I already posted about the Marxist " green jobs" Czar Van Jones . Add this to Harold Koh, Rosa Brooks, Michelle Fluornoy , Harry Knox and others and it's a real collection of headcases. They want to break US up on purpose.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

BO & Co are a haunted house. I already posted about the Marxist " green jobs" Czar Van Jones . Add this to Harold Koh, Rosa Brooks, Michelle Fluornoy , Harry Knox and others and it's a real collection of headcases. They want to break US up on purpose.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Looks like the Cloward-Piven Strategy is alive and well,,,,,,,

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

we're fucked.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

None of which will make us any broke-er. In fact, UHC will quite likely make us wealthier.

yea ok... pass the cool-aid please Mountain berry is the Best.

Freaking A we already have Medicaid for what %5 of the population and it is crushed under its own wieght. What happens when the government starts covering 25% to 50% or more. What a cluster.

 

[Cattlegod]

How is 'excess productivity' defined??

 

[gamemod]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

Yeap, GeezerMan is right. Those Chinese are exploiting the US for profit. Like GeezeMan said, we should take the elite thieve's money(Chinese gov) and give it back to the poor country like the US which deficits are the largest in the world. Just look how much US money is pouring into China. Now we have to borrow money from the Chinese. huh?

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: gamemod

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy
What fucking wealth do we have to spread around?

Borrowed money from the Chinese

and japan and canada. wake up people, the US is broke. blame whoever or which administration you want since that is what you will do, but the end result doesn't change. just wait for universal health care and cap and trade to go through....

Yeap, GeezerMan is right. Those Chinese are exploiting the US for profit. Like GeezeMan said, we should take the elite thieve's money(Chinese gov) and give it back to the poor country like the US which deficits are the largest in the world. Just look how much US money is pouring into China. Now we have to borrow money from the Chinese. huh?

Well, I didn't say it was elite Chinese. I have more of a problem with elite bankers, the Fed, military industrial complex thieves, socialist Obama agenda, than the Chinese. I'm no fan of abusive communist China though.

 

[GeezerMan]

Here are some more gems ( from Wikipedia) from this guy:

In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience[12], which discussed the possible role of a "planetary regime" in enforcing population control. Also discussed was the possibility of adding a sterilant to drinking water; "Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.".

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
How is 'excess productivity' defined??

10% unemployment! They need to push it higher to match Africa.

 

[GeezerMan]

Link


Wow, Holdren is really out in left field.:

Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation?s drinking water or in food;
Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
People who ?contribute to social deterioration? (i.e. undesirables) ?can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility? ? in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
A transnational ?Planetary Regime? should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans? lives ? using an armed international police force

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Link


Wow, Holdren is really out in left field.:

Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation?s drinking water or in food;
Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
People who ?contribute to social deterioration? (i.e. undesirables) ?can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility? ? in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
A transnational ?Planetary Regime? should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans? lives ? using an armed international police force

um 1984 much?

scary