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[fallout man]

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McCain campaign savages New York Times


John McCain's White House campaign Monday lashed out at the media and declared the venerable New York Times was "150 percent" behind Democratic hopeful Barack Obama.

McCain senior strategist Steve Schmidt rebuked journalists he said had failed in their duty to submit Obama to intense scrutiny and accused news organizations of hounding McCain's running mate Sarah Palin.

"Whatever the New York Times once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization," said Schmidt on a conference call with reporters.

"It is a pro-Obama advocacy organization that every day attacks the McCain campaign, attacks Senator McCain, attacks Governor Palin, and excuses Senator Obama.

"This is an organization that is completely, totally, 150 percent in the tank for the Democratic candidate, which is their prerogative to be, but let's not be dishonest and call it something other than what it is."

"It is an organization that has made a decision to cast aside its journalistic integrity and tradition to advocate for the defeat of one candidate -- in this case, John McCain."

The McCain campaign complaints were reminiscent of comments by the campaign of former Democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton, which claimed the media was giving Obama an easy ride and not properly "vetting" his candidacy.

Schmidt's outburst came in specific response to a question about a story in Monday's paper which said McCain campaign manager Rick Davis had lobbied for 30,000 dollars a month for five years to defend mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The two firms were taken under government control earlier this month in the early stages of the economic crisis which has consumed Wall Street and transformed the presidential campaign.

Davis said on the conference call he had been on leave of absence from his company for 18 months, and had not done any lobbying work in the area for up to a year-and-a-half before that.

The McCain campaign also defended Palin over her lack of contact with journalists, saying she had spoken to ABC News and Fox News and would soon do an interview with CBS.

"If anybody ever asked us to make a choice between seeing 60,000 people at a rally ... or spending an hour with a reporter, I don't imagine that we'd have many questions as to what we'd rather do," said Davis.

Anger at the media was not just confined to the ranks of McCain's campaign braintrust on Monday.

At a rally Scranton, Pennsylvania, one woman stood up in the question-and-answer period, and berated journalists, pointed a journalists and accused them of exploiting the pregnancy of Palin's unwed teenaged daughter.

"They need to start doing their job and stop picking on little children because of their age and their pregnancies, shame on you," she shouted, provoking delighted cheers at the rally among the mainly Irish American audience.

The Obama campaign mocked Schmidt's comments as a "laughable screed" and sent journalists a list of 40 "probing" stories the paper had written on the Illinois Senator.

Spokesman Bill Burton said the Times had not done any stories on McCain's role in a 1980s Savings and Loans scandal when he was accused of improperly helping a financier counter regulators.

McCain was cleared of corruption in the "Keating Five" case but accused of showing poor judgement. He overcame association with the scandal by throwing himself into the reform of campaign finance laws.

The New York Times is regarded by some observers in America as a paragon of journalistic standards which keeps its news reporting and opinion comment strictly separate.

But it is reviled by conservatives who rail against the perceived liberal bias of the mainstream media.

HOLY LOL.

Yes, it's that evil LiBrUl mEdIa all hatin' on the Mac and shit. SaRaH pLz.

Perhaps the NYT (and WSJ, and... just about every other news organization that's not a fundie blog) wouldn't attack Sen. Pissed Off Dubya and Saint Sarah if they weren't totally lying through their pearly-whites. It's just a thought, you guys.

Of course, when you can't comfortably spin away the fact that your campaign is staffed with very disease you claim your snake-oil will cure, the only diversion is to attack the messenger.

Once one is comfortable with that kind of logic, it's easy to agree that journalistic scrutiny is not as bubbly and up-lifting as 60k pre-approved McPalinac sheeple cheering U-S-A. It just makes sense.

In conclusion, and in summary: let's stop picking on those little children because they like to get their stank all over each-other. Seriously, folks. It's just like West Side Story, except with more liquor, snowmachines, moose huntin', and complete lack of family values. If Boobie Palin was seventeen, preggo, and not such a "good girl," O'Reilly would be labeling the Palins "a bunch of pinheads."

What the fuck.

 

[nageov3t]

with that kind of anger, you'd think that the Times had run a smear piece on him or something implying that he was having an affair.

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: loki8481
with that kind of anger, you'd think that the Times had run a smear piece on him or something implying that he was having an affair.

To whose anger are you referring, the OP's or McCain's campaign strategist's?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: magreen

Originally posted by: loki8481
with that kind of anger, you'd think that the Times had run a smear piece on him or something implying that he was having an affair.

To whose anger are you referring, the OP's or McCain's campaign strategist's?

I'm not angry. I'm fucking befuddled.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: magreen

Originally posted by: loki8481
with that kind of anger, you'd think that the Times had run a smear piece on him or something implying that he was having an affair.

To whose anger are you referring, the OP's or McCain's campaign strategist's?

I'm not angry. I'm fucking befuddled.

It would seem the McCain camp is both angry and befuddled.

 

[winnar111]

The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: magreen

Originally posted by: loki8481
with that kind of anger, you'd think that the Times had run a smear piece on him or something implying that he was having an affair.

To whose anger are you referring, the OP's or McCain's campaign strategist's?

I'm not angry. I'm fucking befuddled.

LOL. As long as we have that straight.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Book of Republican Talking Points

Page One - Paragraph One

""Bash the New York Times and that Liberal news media""

 

[jpeyton]

What has more integrity, the NYT, or McCain's campaign? :laugh:

Another distraction by a failed campaign. I guess the market drop and oil jump was too much for McCain do defend with a straight face today.

 

[Butterbean]

Times isn't crashing and burning because its a real paper. It's the Air America of print. You girls might want to save your election copies for memorabilia.

New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent
http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1

 

[ProfJohn]

Did anyone actually read the Obama campaign response??

Here is the Obama list of 'investigations' done on Obama by the NY Times.

1. In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice [New York Times, 1/28/07]
2. So Far, Obama Can?t Take Black Vote For Granted [New York Times, 2/2/07]
3. Obama Had Slaveowning Kin [New York Times, 3/3/07]
4. Disinvitation by Obama Is Criticized [New York Times, 3/6/07]
5. Obama, in Brief Investing Foray In '05, Took Same Path as Donors [New York Times, 3/7/07]
6. Obama Says His Investments Presented No Conflicts of Interest [New York Times, 3/8/07]
7. Charisma and a Search for Self In Obama's Hawaii Childhood [New York Times, 3/17/07]
8. Clinton Camp Challenges Obama on Iraq. [New York Times, 3/22/07]
9. After 2000 Loss, Obama Built Donor Network From Roots Up [New York Times, 4/3/07]
10. A Candidate, His Minister and the Search for Faith [New York Times, 4/30/07]
11. An Obama Patron and Friend Until an Indictment in Illinois [New York Times, 6/14/07]
12. In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd. [New York Times, 7/30/07]
13. In 2000, a Streetwise Veteran Schooled a Bold Young Obama. [New York Times, 9/9/07]
14. Loyal Network Backs Obama After His Help. [New York Times, 10/1/07]
15. Obama?s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say. [New York Times, 10/30/07]
16. It?s Not Just ?Ayes? and ?Nays?: Obama?s Votes in Illinois Echo. [New York Times, 12/20/07]
17. Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate [New York Times, 2/3/08]
18. Daschle Uses Senate Ties To Blaze Path for Obama [New York Times, 2/5/08]
19. Old Friends Say Drugs Played Bit Part in Obama?s Young Life [New York Times, 2/9/08]
20. Seeking Unity, Obama Feels Pull of Racial Divide [New York Times, 2/12/08]
21. Obama Walks a Difficult Path as He Courts Jewish Voters [New York Times, 3/1/08]
Obama in Senate: Star Power, Minor Role [New York Times, 3/9/08]
22. A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama?s Path [New York Times, 3/14/08]
23.cPastor Defends His Predecessor at Obama?s Chicago Church [New York Times, 3/17/08]
24. Obama?s Narrator [New York Times, 4/1/07]
25. Wright Remains a Concern for Some Democrats [New York Times, 5/1/08]
26. A Strained Wright-Obama Bond Finally Snaps [New York Times, 5/1/08]
27. A Pulpit-and-Pews Gulf on Obama?s Ex-Pastor [New York Times, 5/2/08]
28. A Fiery Theology Under Fire [New York Times, 5/4/08]
29. Obama Secret Service Agent Tied To Sex Joke [New York Times, 5/15/08]
30. The Story of Obama, Written by Obama [New York Times, 5/18/08]
31. Following Months of Criticism, Obama Quits His Church [New York Times, 6/1/08]
32. Many Blacks Find Joy in Unexpected Breakthrough [New York Times, 6/5/08]
33. Where Whites Draw The Line [New York Times, 6/8/08]
34. Obama?s Organizing Years, Guiding Others and Finding Himself [New York Times, 7/7/08]
35. As a Professor, Obama Enthralled Students and Puzzled Faculty [New York Times, 7/30/08]
36. Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences [New York Times, 8/3/08]
37. Big Donors, Too, Have Seats at Obama Fundraising Table [New York Times, 8/6/08]
38. Is Obama the End of Black Politics? [New York Times, 8/10/08]
39. Obama?s 2003 Stand on Abortion Draws New Criticism in 2008 [New York Times, 8/20/08]
40. Obama Aides Defend Bank?s Pay to Biden Son [New York Times, 8/25/08]
41. Once a Convention Outsider, Obama Navigated a Path to the Marquee [New York Times, 8/27/08]
42. Obama Looks to Lessons From Chicago in His National Education Plan [New York Times, 9/10/08]

See anything about Bill Ayers on there?
How about Tony Rezko?

We know about the relationship between Palin and her librarian than about Obama and Ayer's relationship.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Times isn't crashing and burning because its a real paper. It's the Air America of print. You girls might want to save your election copies for memorabilia.
New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent
http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1

from your linked article:

Revenue dropped 6 percent to $741.9 million, missing the average Wall Street estimate for $754 million. Ad revenue slipped down 11 percent, hurt mostly by fewer classified ads.
Chief Executive Janet Robinson says business was hurt by the "U.S. economic slowdown and secular forces playing out across the media industry."

Are you now claiming that classified ad revenue is ideologically based? That's a remarkable stretch even for your overtaxed little cranium.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Times isn't crashing and burning because its a real paper. It's the Air America of print. You girls might want to save your election copies for memorabilia.

New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent
http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1

print is dying; it's not specific with the NYTimes.

 

[Thump553]

150% behind Obama? Anyone who says something so mathematically stupid disqualifies themselves from contention for running of our economy, especially in these turburent times.

 

[jpeyton]

McCain's advisors had a pow-wow teleconference with some media reps today. They were upset about how they were being painted as liars.

No kidding...the McCain rep actually repeated the same lies during the teleconference that they were called out for.

Facts won't work with these people. They are true believers in Emperor McCain and Queen Palin.

 

[Lemon law]

What the hell is wrong with the New York Times? Silly rabbits, don't they understand that all roads to journalistic credibility salvation goes through Fox news? And all journalists should take their ques from Rush Limbaugh.

And as we see, when our nations perhaps premier newspaper writes an article critical of McCain, its slam dunk prema facia evidence that poor ole lonesome John is being victimized. And an attack on John McCain is an attack on America itself.

Its enough to bring tears to your eyes if you happen to be a Karl Rove crocodile, or a GOP in denial alligator.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did anyone actually read the Obama campaign response??

Here is the Obama list of 'investigations' done on Obama by the NY Times.

1. In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice [New York Times, 1/28/07]
2. So Far, Obama Can?t Take Black Vote For Granted [New York Times, 2/2/07]
3. Obama Had Slaveowning Kin [New York Times, 3/3/07]
4. Disinvitation by Obama Is Criticized [New York Times, 3/6/07]
5. Obama, in Brief Investing Foray In '05, Took Same Path as Donors [New York Times, 3/7/07]
6. Obama Says His Investments Presented No Conflicts of Interest [New York Times, 3/8/07]
7. Charisma and a Search for Self In Obama's Hawaii Childhood [New York Times, 3/17/07]
8. Clinton Camp Challenges Obama on Iraq. [New York Times, 3/22/07]
9. After 2000 Loss, Obama Built Donor Network From Roots Up [New York Times, 4/3/07]
10. A Candidate, His Minister and the Search for Faith [New York Times, 4/30/07]
11. An Obama Patron and Friend Until an Indictment in Illinois [New York Times, 6/14/07]
12. In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd. [New York Times, 7/30/07]
13. In 2000, a Streetwise Veteran Schooled a Bold Young Obama. [New York Times, 9/9/07]
14. Loyal Network Backs Obama After His Help. [New York Times, 10/1/07]
15. Obama?s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say. [New York Times, 10/30/07]
16. It?s Not Just ?Ayes? and ?Nays?: Obama?s Votes in Illinois Echo. [New York Times, 12/20/07]
17. Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate [New York Times, 2/3/08]
18. Daschle Uses Senate Ties To Blaze Path for Obama [New York Times, 2/5/08]
19. Old Friends Say Drugs Played Bit Part in Obama?s Young Life [New York Times, 2/9/08]
20. Seeking Unity, Obama Feels Pull of Racial Divide [New York Times, 2/12/08]
21. Obama Walks a Difficult Path as He Courts Jewish Voters [New York Times, 3/1/08]
Obama in Senate: Star Power, Minor Role [New York Times, 3/9/08]
22. A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama?s Path [New York Times, 3/14/08]
23.cPastor Defends His Predecessor at Obama?s Chicago Church [New York Times, 3/17/08]
24. Obama?s Narrator [New York Times, 4/1/07]
25. Wright Remains a Concern for Some Democrats [New York Times, 5/1/08]
26. A Strained Wright-Obama Bond Finally Snaps [New York Times, 5/1/08]
27. A Pulpit-and-Pews Gulf on Obama?s Ex-Pastor [New York Times, 5/2/08]
28. A Fiery Theology Under Fire [New York Times, 5/4/08]
29. Obama Secret Service Agent Tied To Sex Joke [New York Times, 5/15/08]
30. The Story of Obama, Written by Obama [New York Times, 5/18/08]
31. Following Months of Criticism, Obama Quits His Church [New York Times, 6/1/08]
32. Many Blacks Find Joy in Unexpected Breakthrough [New York Times, 6/5/08]
33. Where Whites Draw The Line [New York Times, 6/8/08]
34. Obama?s Organizing Years, Guiding Others and Finding Himself [New York Times, 7/7/08]
35. As a Professor, Obama Enthralled Students and Puzzled Faculty [New York Times, 7/30/08]
36. Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences [New York Times, 8/3/08]
37. Big Donors, Too, Have Seats at Obama Fundraising Table [New York Times, 8/6/08]
38. Is Obama the End of Black Politics? [New York Times, 8/10/08]
39. Obama?s 2003 Stand on Abortion Draws New Criticism in 2008 [New York Times, 8/20/08]
40. Obama Aides Defend Bank?s Pay to Biden Son [New York Times, 8/25/08]
41. Once a Convention Outsider, Obama Navigated a Path to the Marquee [New York Times, 8/27/08]
42. Obama Looks to Lessons From Chicago in His National Education Plan [New York Times, 9/10/08]

See anything about Bill Ayers on there?
How about Tony Rezko?

We know about the relationship between Palin and her librarian than about Obama and Ayer's relationship.

YEAH!!!

And they also forgot to investigate that whole thing about his two black kids!

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

The fact that they've been endorsing every Democrat for President since Eisenhower despite numerous GOP landslide elections in that timeframe?

They're clearly out of touch with the rest of the country.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

The fact that they've been endorsing every Democrat for President since Eisenhower despite numerous GOP landslide elections in that timeframe?

They're clearly out of touch with the rest of the country.

Or maybe they're right and the rest of the country is just misinformed???

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

The fact that they've been endorsing every Democrat for President since Eisenhower despite numerous GOP landslide elections in that timeframe?

They're clearly out of touch with the rest of the country.

Yet, they're in touch with most the geo-political graphical region, like every other damn newspaper.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did anyone actually read the Obama campaign response??

Here is the Obama list of 'investigations' done on Obama by the NY Times.

... Clip ...

See anything about Bill Ayers on there?
How about Tony Rezko?

We know about the relationship between Palin and her librarian than about Obama and Ayer's relationship.

Rezko and Ayer is nothing but FUD, that's why they didn't cover it.

 

[Napalm]

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

Well, it sure isn't FoxNews...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

The fact that they've been endorsing every Democrat for President since Eisenhower despite numerous GOP landslide elections in that timeframe?

They're clearly out of touch with the rest of the country.

Yet, they're in touch with most the geo-political graphical region, like every other damn newspaper.

Is that why the state of New York went Republican 3 times since then, while the Times endorsed a Democrat all 3 times?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111
The New York Times is essentially a subsidiary of the Democratic party. From McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis to Gore to Kerry, they've been out of touch with the rest of the nation and even the rest of NY state.

And that's based on... which Republican talking point memo?

The fact that they've been endorsing every Democrat for President since Eisenhower despite numerous GOP landslide elections in that timeframe?

They're clearly out of touch with the rest of the country.

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Even if winnar1111 can make a case that the New York Times does not end up endorsing the consensus winner of every election since the beginning of the NYT on September 18, 1851, what winnar 111 is denial about is that the great unwashed mean majority is not always wise. As a the vast bulk of the people who voted for GWB in 2000 and 2004 are kicking their own asses and wishing they had a do over. As any poll one might want to check on current GWB approval rating conveys in quite eloquent terms.

But given that the arguing point that winnar111 makes is that majority makes right, will winnar111 then be logically consistent and take the position that the New York Times will become magically correct if Obama wins the election of 2008?
And that winnar111 will also then reject the false journalistic Gods to be found in Fox news.

I shall await the winnar111 answer, to see if he believes the logic of his own argument.