Jeff7
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A Department of Peace? This is a bad thing why exactly?
Minimize penalties for crack dealers. Risk goes down, price goes down - dealers might not like this.
Raise taxes - I don't like this. I would favor making the government more efficient and cutting down on pork-barrel spending and pointless jobs, stuff like those with ridiculous titles such as Secretary to the Associate Deputy Vice President Governor Understudy Assistant or whatever the hell they are.
Stuff like this makes it seem like it's all little more than a game to the politicians, that it doesn't matter who "wins" the election - they'll all turn out just fine in the end. These people go on some casual-type talk shows and just make like the whole political world is no big deal. It just seems quite odd.
This is awesome, they keep dropping like flies, should get down to between me or Hillary in no time.
good thing we know the full context of the quote.
I mean, there's no way he could have been... I don't know... joking?
*gasp*
I mean, there's no way he could have been... I don't know... joking?
*gasp*
Don Vito Corleone
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I just take this as a joke. McCain has a long history of irreverent humor. A few years ago he had been diagnosed with skin cancer. I remember reading a quote where he was asked how his wife was dealing with it. He responded (more or less): "For the most part she's fine, but the other night I woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, and I caught her digging through our life insurance paperwork."
CaptnKirk
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Which would bring the penalty for the form of cocaine known as 'Crack' in line with the penalties
for the run of the mill powder form of cocaine used by the white elite, which has never been enforced
with the harshness of the level of punishment that has been placed on Crack.
minorites and the poor seem to be the ones who use Crack as their choice of cocaine, while
lawyers, musicians, high-rollers, and well to to upper crust elitists have the 'Blow Habit'.
Selective enforcement to punish a select segment of society, dysfunctional as it may be.
Yeah, after all, he was so supportive in the military tribunal and terror prosecution areas.
McCain is a liberal and the only time he vascillates to the right is when it is politically convenient for him.
He was obviously joking...Nothing more, nothing less.
The reaction here is as alarming as the reaction from the neocons when Kerry made a joke about killing the real bird with one stone.
The reaction here is as alarming as the reaction from the neocons when Kerry made a joke about killing the real bird with one stone.
Don Vito Corleone
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This is a statement of abject ignorance. McCain has one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate, and he is conservative on essentially every major issue, other than campaign finance reform.
You will note that all three of the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee who stood up to the White House on the issues you mention (Warner, McCain, and Graham) are Republicans. Additionally, the Judge Advocates General from all four armed forces did the same thing - these are not exactly flaming liberals themselves. The White House's position on those issues was ridiculous, and McCain of all people (the only member of the Senate to spend five years in the Hanoi Hilton) knew it. Unfortunately, they managed to be co-opted, and ultimately did essentially what the President wanted.
I find it fascinating that the uninformed are so quick to call McCain a liberal. I guess it's an artifact of the smear jobs the Bush campaign laid on him in 2000, as well as the fact that he has (at least on some issues) demonstrated the ability for independent thought, something neither party seems especially fond of.
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That, and the animosity some still hold for him, over nearly supplanting their man for the nomination.
Don Vito Corleone
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That raises an interesting issue: where would we be today if McCain had beaten Bush in 2000? We sure as hell wouldn't be in Iraq . . .
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I surmise Afghanistan wouldn't be so chaotic, we would have laid a very hard beatdown on the Taliban, and snagged OBL. Wishful thinking through 20/10 hindsight? Perhaps. It beats the tar out of the present situation there though.
CaptnKirk
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Even at that, he's damaged merchandise. He's spending too much time courting the Religious Right
hoping to get them behind him - while he should be looking to make amends with the Middle of America Moderates.
The looney fringes of the 25% Right or the 25% Liberal partisans won't help either candidate except as core/base.
Their minds are made up - you could hear it slamming like a door . . closed, nothing left to consider.
The 'Old Fashion High Button Shoe' terminology was 'The Silent Majority' - those 50% of the voting population
is what sways every election, and when they don't participate the radicals attempt to steamroll the opponents.
This cycle if the Right radicals don't play due to the lack of monolithic 'Value Issues' there might be a chance
of normalacy returning to the country and a return to bipartisan negotiations for everyone.
Better chance of that happening if the Democrats do win big in contrast to the continuation of
'My Way or the Highway' philosophy that the GOP has taken with their huge 1% victory in the last couple elections.
Hehehehehe, Oh man, so so good to see an opinion from you. His move to the right, in my opinion, is for the base of his party prior to them picking a candidate, but later, if he gets it, they will move to the center. But center left or right, in my opinion he is just run by an ambition to be president. Nothing about a chameleon as politician has any appeal to me and I always feel greasy when I think of McCain.
As much as I despise Bush, I'm not so sure McCain would be any better. Brown-nosing panderer. This guy is lacking as a person, and not because he's an R.
Don Vito Corleone
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I agree he's a panderer, but he's far better than Bush IMO, and he would never have given all of the most senior positions in the White House and Pentagon to the founders of PNAC (and hence, there's no way we would have gone to war in Iraq).
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Yep. I like to believe he wouldn't have squandered all the international good will either. In fact, I just don't see how he could have done a worse job with foreign policy and the direction taken in the WoT.
Every Politician panders, what they do once they are elected is what is relevent.
Lemon law
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Come on come on---give McCain a break.
After the drubbing Karl Rove gave to McCain in 2000---you have to know he walks a pretty fine line---wanting to be his own man--but knowing full well that it just takes one
yank on the chain for Karl Rove to show the world who really calls the shots. And if McCain plays by all de rules and is a good dog---the GOP may even let him run in 2008.
But he is presently a very useful running dog to distract attention away from the real big dogs---but GOD forbid that he would have an accident on some talk show's carpet.
Karl Rove has many Kennels---and he has one for thee---may well be McCains political funeral theme.
Any good dog trainer knows---it takes training---and you don't show your dog until they are trained.---otherwise you toss em back in the kennel--and get a mussle.
After the drubbing Karl Rove gave to McCain in 2000---you have to know he walks a pretty fine line---wanting to be his own man--but knowing full well that it just takes one
yank on the chain for Karl Rove to show the world who really calls the shots. And if McCain plays by all de rules and is a good dog---the GOP may even let him run in 2008.
But he is presently a very useful running dog to distract attention away from the real big dogs---but GOD forbid that he would have an accident on some talk show's carpet.
Karl Rove has many Kennels---and he has one for thee---may well be McCains political funeral theme.
Any good dog trainer knows---it takes training---and you don't show your dog until they are trained.---otherwise you toss em back in the kennel--and get a mussle.
I believe that in 2000, a TV reporter asked McCain what his favorite band was, and he said "Nine Inch Nails" - perhaps seriously, but probably as a joke.
Then at the Republican debates, Alan Keyes brought the issue up, and recited some lyrics from NIN and told him that he did not approve of a future President of America endorsing such a band.
I just remember thinking what a tool Alan Keyes was. Lighten the ****** up. :roll:
None of the people posting on this thread are any better than Alan Keyes, IMO.
Then at the Republican debates, Alan Keyes brought the issue up, and recited some lyrics from NIN and told him that he did not approve of a future President of America endorsing such a band.
I just remember thinking what a tool Alan Keyes was. Lighten the ****** up. :roll:
None of the people posting on this thread are any better than Alan Keyes, IMO.
"None of the people posting on this thread are any better than Alan Keyes, IMO."
Well of course not. We are all loved equally by God. But it's an odd sort of flattery you engage in since you posted in the thread yourself.
Well of course not. We are all loved equally by God. But it's an odd sort of flattery you engage in since you posted in the thread yourself.
i feel the same way..at first i did sort of respect him for being able to have an open dialogue with different sides of an issue but then i saw that this was only for his gain and that he didnt really care
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