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John Kerry's REAL net worth...
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Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
Damnit, the election is a sham! They don't even count our votes! 🙂
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Uhh no. Bush + wife can't touch the financial holdings of Kerry + wife.
I'm honestly surprised though. Where are those guys hiding all of their money? There's no way they're worth only 1.6 - 2 million each. Or am I reading that incorrectly?
EDIT - Duh. Nevermind I was looking at the wrong Bush! That could cause trouble irl...
0roo0roo
No Lifer
but its not about his wifes money, its not a joint bank account you know. prenups or whatever. they attack kerry as some rich aristocrat who has been rich all his life in those ads. its what the conservative dirt machine is spewing. and its not true. his father was a test pilot/diplomat, not exactly aristocracy, and he only got to those good schools because of a rich aunt. then it was only much later in life that he met and married teresa. so its basically all bull, esp when compared to bush who rode through life on the generosity of his fathers wealthy friends. .
Fingolfin269
Lifer
It's not bull when you've never lived the hard life and yet you're trying to woo the people who've lived the hard life. Most people don't have a rich aunt. Hell, the majority of people don't have a rich aunt AND a father who was a diplomat. A diplomat doesn't exactly live on scraps in a ghetto.
I haven't seen the ad you're referring to, and I'm unsure as to whether it was released by the Bush campaign or a 3rd party, but the intent of ads like that is to level the playing field. If you don't remove the assumption that such and such candidate came from a formerly meager existance then people will make the assumption.
How's this for impressive?
Kerry's returns from 1995 and earlier, before his marriage to Heinz, have sometimes attracted criticism over the issue of charitable giving. In 1995, according to published reports, Kerry reported a taxable income of $126,179, and charitable contributions of $0. In 1994, he reported income of $127,884, and charitable donations of $2,039. In 1993, he reported income of $130,345, and contributions of $175. In 1992, he reported income of $127,646, and contributions of $820. In 1991, he reported income of $113,857, and contributions of $0. His wife's tax bill was 15%, on $5,000,000 earnings - a good deal tax-free interest.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200403220840.asp
Please don't get me wrong, I am not particularly happy with Bush, I just get sick of the hypocrisy of most of the Democratic leadership.
Kerry's returns from 1995 and earlier, before his marriage to Heinz, have sometimes attracted criticism over the issue of charitable giving. In 1995, according to published reports, Kerry reported a taxable income of $126,179, and charitable contributions of $0. In 1994, he reported income of $127,884, and charitable donations of $2,039. In 1993, he reported income of $130,345, and contributions of $175. In 1992, he reported income of $127,646, and contributions of $820. In 1991, he reported income of $113,857, and contributions of $0. His wife's tax bill was 15%, on $5,000,000 earnings - a good deal tax-free interest.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200403220840.asp
Please don't get me wrong, I am not particularly happy with Bush, I just get sick of the hypocrisy of most of the Democratic leadership.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
well he did spend one summer loading trucks😛 it wasn't a life of poverty, no ones saying that. but the ads do paint a picture that in no way reflects reality. that level of dishonesty is not a valid way of leveling the playing field, esp against bush who was far from poor himself.
and frankly who in the hell has the assumption that the senatorial kerry is a working stiff? he doesn't pretend to be what he's not. no, thats gw bush, he puts on the bullsh*t "i'm one of you" act like no one else.
So he cant access their vast number of estates around the world? Or other joint assests? Bullshit. He has access to half of their joint assest, which is $250-300million, which means he has access to $125-$150million.
I might further add, Kerry reported a net worth of $164million to $211million to the Senate last summer. This number does not include his federal salary, his pensions, or his primary estate. He even beat Rockefeller. Obviously Fortune failed browse the Senate public record. I guess they forgot Senators have to disclose their assests. And dont say this is his wifes money becase Heinz-Kerry is worth over $1billion.
And for those wondering here is the minimum net worth of the Senate millionares, most have 10-25% more than the minimum net worth reported.
John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: $163,626,399
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: $111,015,016
John Rockefeller, D -West Virginia: $81,648,018
Jon Corzine, D-New Jersey: $71,035,025
Dianne Feinstein, D-California: $26,377,109
Peter Fitzgerald, R-Illinois: $26,132,013
Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey $17,789,018
Bill Frist, R-Tennessee: $15,108,042
John Edwards, D-North Carolina: $12,844,029
Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: $9,905,009
Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: $7,981,015
Bob Graham, D-Florida: $7,691,052
Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: $7,085,012
Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: $6,429,011
Lincoln Chafee, R-Rhode Island: $6,296,010
Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: $6,267,028
Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: $4,823,018
Mike DeWine, R-Ohio: $4,308,093
Mark Dayton, D-Minnesota: $3,974,037
Ben Campbell, R-Colorado: $3,165,007
Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: $2,963,013
Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: $2,955,037
James Talent, R-Missouri: $2,843,031
Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: $2,045,016
Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: $1,916,026
John McCain, R-Arizona: $1,838,010
James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: $1,570,043
John Warner, R-Virginia: $1,545,039
Kay Bailey Hutchison, R - Texas: $1,513,046
Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: $1,511,017
Harry Reid, D-Nevada: $1,500,040
Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: $1,491,018
Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: $1,482,017
Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: $1,417,013
Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: $1,264,999
Barbara Boxer, D-California: $1,172,003
Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: $1,086,023
Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: $1,080,014
Bill Nelson, D-Florida: $1,073,014
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: $1,016,024
And heres a link CNN
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Damn, the top 5 are Democrats? That surprises me. I'm also surprised at the major drop from #1 to #10.
Todd33
Diamond Member
Does anyone care how much money they have? All politicians at theat level have cash. I care about how they perform.
I'd rather Kerry be indepently wealthy than have this government/industry revolving door the Bush crowd have. Cheney and Haliburton, Bush and Carlyle, etc. It's a conflict of interest.
I'd rather Kerry be indepently wealthy than have this government/industry revolving door the Bush crowd have. Cheney and Haliburton, Bush and Carlyle, etc. It's a conflict of interest.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
I can't think of any past Democrat Presidents who had ties to money scandals.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
And you honestly think that electing an uber rich guy into the White House is going to make a difference? That he will have no interest whatsoever in keeping his massive amount of cash as massive as possible for himself and his wife? I have no problem with someone voting against Bush because of the war, economic policy, etc. But to bring up industry when talking about the guy married to HEINZ and then say that Bush is the bad guy... come on man.
Todd33
Diamond Member
He wants to repeal the tax cut, like many many rich folks. They want to pay their share. It's a time of war, that generally means economic sacrafice, not rob the treasury.
The industry I meant was the defense industry, you know the one that profits from war. Not only do the Kerry's have no say in the Heinz company, the Heinz company donates mostly to Republicans. Get the facts.
Sorry is the Cheney-Haliburton relationship scares me. The guy is the ex-CEO and has over 400,000 stock options in a company that got a no-bid cost+ multi-billion dollar contract in Iraq. The whole thing stinks of corporate welfare and war profiteering.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Who would you have in Iraq instead of Halliburton?
And also, O'Reilly made an interesting point last night to Ben Affleck. If Kerry were so interested in paying additional taxes then why did he not take advantage of his ability to do so on his state tax return? Granted, it comes from O'Reilly and may be completely incorrect, but I figured I would ask the question anyway.
And also, O'Reilly made an interesting point last night to Ben Affleck. If Kerry were so interested in paying additional taxes then why did he not take advantage of his ability to do so on his state tax return? Granted, it comes from O'Reilly and may be completely incorrect, but I figured I would ask the question anyway.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
ok, i bothered to look it up. starting salary for a diplomat these days is 30k. you can reach 100k, but thats as a senior diplomat. it probably has been relatively similar in the past. so on average, a diplomat fits into the middle class quite well don't you think?
http://www.salary.com/careers/layouthtmls/crel_display_Cat10_Ser136_Par236.html
Zebo
Elite Member
Why does it surprise you? The richest men in the world are democrats (gates and buffet), the richest president of all time was a dem...FDR. Maybe they just understand fully how capital structures work and and know the middle class/lower class are getting the shaft and want to change it? Maybe thier world view, unlike the rights ancient view of social hierarchy, the left believes in the modern world view of equality and opportunity.
I guess it surprises you because you believe this crap about "poor people" voting dem? Well most poor don't vote in the first place but I've seen a lot more "Bush/Cheney" stickers on beat up pickups than "kerry/edwards". I did see "kerry/edwards" on a S500 a week ago tough. Anyway, It's a lie, a phychological tactic the right uses, as voters don't want to be grouped in with the losers/poor. And very effective since dems do stand up for the dreges and unfortunate of society due to thier world view of equality and opportunity..
Ummm Bill Gates gives pretty evenly between the parites, mainly donating to state and federal congressional races. He has donated $13000 to republicans and $10000 to democras in this election cycle. The only presidential candidate he has given money to in this election cycle is Bush($2000). In the 1996 election cycle he gave $1000 to the Clinton-Gore Primary PAC, and didnt give any money to any presidential candidate in 1992. Gates gives money based on people, not on party. Im confident he votes the same way, the people not the party.
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