John Boehner's School Voucher Bill Passed By The House

[her209]

http://www.thirdage.com/news/john-boehners-school-voucher-bill-passed-house_3-31-2011?page=1

Working hard at creating those jobs per the Pledge to America.

 

[Patranus]

http://www.thirdage.com/news/john-boehners-school-voucher-bill-passed-house_3-31-2011?page=1

Working hard at creating those jobs per the Pledge to America.

Choice and competition certainly fosters a better educational environment.

 

[Throckmorton]

If you've ever had to go to a bad school, charters start making a lot of sense to you. Well, until those bad kids start going to the charters. But presumably the charters have standards for entrance.

 

[spidey07]

If you've ever had to go to a bad school, charters start making a lot of sense to you. Well, until those bad kids start going to the charters. But presumably the charters have standards for entrance.

And can also kick out the poor performers or folks that disrupt class. win, win, win all around.

 

[Anarchist420]

WTF? This a damn spending bill!

The states have already done this and more efficiently than the Federal government will be able to.

I want Boehner's ass out of there.

 

[her209]

If you've ever had to go to a bad school, charters start making a lot of sense to you. Well, until those bad kids start going to the charters. But presumably the charters have standards for entrance.

Personally speaking, I went to a magnet high school located in the bad part of town and all the students that went there to learn from arguably the best teachers in the district did. Meanwhile, all the students who went there because it was the closest one, didn't take advantage of the teachers they had.

 

[soundforbjt]

WTF? This a damn spending bill!

The states have already done this and more efficiently than the Federal government will be able to.

I want Boehner's ass out of there.

Republicans, holding down the budget by passing spending bills. :sneaky:

 

[werepossum]

A very good bill at exactly the wrong time. If one is going to get out of a hole, one first has to stop digging more deeply, even in one's favorite spots.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention the latest addition to the World's Thinnest Books list: Things that DON'T make John Boehner cry.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I can't read the link from here at work; did he at least follow through on the pledge to cite specific Constitutional authority for all new legislation?

 

[werepossum]

I can't read the link from here at work; did he at least follow through on the pledge to cite specific Constitutional authority for all new legislation?

This

With the passing of the bill last night, the program will receive $20 million over the course of five years, $8,000 of which would go to elementary school students and $12,000 of which would go to high school students to pay for the tuition of the private school of their choice. The bill also calls for an additional $40 million a year for public and charter schools.

“I think all of you know this issue is important to me. I’ll tell you this: this is not about me,” said Boehner, who noticeably choked up during his speech. “Instead of just throwing money at the problem, let’s empower children from lower income families to choose the school that’s right for them.”

is the whole article. So it's hard to know (and harder to care.)

 

[her209]

I can't read the link from here at work; did he at least follow through on the pledge to cite specific Constitutional authority for all new legislation?

From the text of the bill that was passed: link

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

(snip)

(4) In 2003, Congress passed the DC School Choice Incentive Act of 2003 (Public Law 108-199; 118 Stat. 126), to provide opportunity scholarships to parents of students in the District of Columbia to enable them to pursue a high-quality education at a public or private elementary or secondary school of their choice. The DC Opportunity Scholarship Program (DC OSP) under such Act was part of a comprehensive 3-part funding arrangement that also included additional funds for the District of Columbia public schools, and additional funds for public charter schools of the District of Columbia. The intent of the approach was to ensure that progress would continue to be made to improve public schools and public charter schools, and that funding for the opportunity scholarship program would not lead to a reduction in funding for the District of Columbia public and charter schools. Resources would be available for a variety of educational options that would give families in the District of Columbia a range of choices with regard to the education of their children.

(5) The DC OSP was established in accordance with the Supreme Court decision, Zelman v. Simmons-Harris, 536 U.S. 639 (2002), which found that a program enacted for the valid secular purpose of providing educational assistance to low-income children in a demonstrably failing public school system is constitutional if it is neutral with respect to religion and provides assistance to a broad class of citizens who direct government aid to religious and secular schools solely as a result of their genuine and independent private choices.

 

[JockoJohnson]

C'mon people, the correct term is Investment not spending. That is unless only Democrats are allowed to call their bills "Investment Bills".

Oh, and if it is more spending, I agree with others -- throw him out.

 

[theeedude]

Senate should throw his bill in the trash.

 

[boomerang]

Senate should throw his bill in the trash.

Should we guess why you think that way? I could venture a guess if you wish.

 

[theeedude]

Should we guess why you think that way? I could venture a guess if you wish.

Because that's where garbage belongs.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Senate should throw his bill in the trash.

But, But , then he will cry

 

[Schadenfroh]

If you've ever had to go to a bad school, charters start making a lot of sense to you. Well, until those bad kids start going to the charters. But presumably the charters have standards for entrance.

True, a charter school and one (true) private school in my hometown are the only ones in that city that are not criminal schools.

They kick under-performing and disruptive students back into oblivion (standard public schools) if they cause trouble at the charter school, so most of the kids are on happy pills to keep them well behaved or their families move out of the city to make use of county schools.

Sadly, The Catholic Church shutdown my old private school a few years back, guess they figured the city was beyond redemption.

 

[werepossum]

From the text of the bill that was passed: link

So . . . Kudos to Boehner for justifying a good bill we can't afford at the moment?

 

[Lemon law]

Do the math, 4 million a year for the whole country, meaning if we take a $10,000/yr average, the program can serve a whole 400 American students per year.

Yup, weeping John, you just saved the entire American education system. Republican job one now done, cut all other k-12 education funding to the bone.

 

[Lemon law]

Sorry accidental double post, but maybe it should be said three or four more times.

 

[Zargon]

lame.

I will move to a new district when my wife have school age kids if the district isnt up to snuff, not as for a handout

 

[DrPizza]

True, a charter school and one (true) private school in my hometown are the only ones in that city that are not criminal schools.

They kick under-performing and disruptive students back into oblivion (standard public schools) if they cause trouble at the charter school, so most of the kids are on happy pills to keep them well behaved or their families move out of the city to make use of county schools.

Sadly, The Catholic Church shutdown my old private school a few years back, guess they figured the city was beyond redemption.

Sadly, the public schools who had to take the trouble makers back in will be compared to the charter schools to "prove" that charter schools are better.

 

[bfdd]

Do the math, 4 million a year for the whole country, meaning if we take a $10,000/yr average, the program can serve a whole 400 American students per year.

Yup, weeping John, you just saved the entire American education system. Republican job one now done, cut all other k-12 education funding to the bone.

... well do you know how much we spend on average per student for a public school? it's basically the exact same cost as sending a kid to a private/charter school(on average). sure a full blown voucher program for everyone might kill public schools somewhat, but there would be an explosion of private/charter schools opening up to cater to the market.

taking away peoples choices is not a good thing and is never a good thing. one size does not fit all. i don't think this should be done at the Federal level though, it should be a State thing. it's just kind of hard to do when the Feds take all of our money and leave the States with the scraps.

 

[Jhhnn]

Vouchers are merely a subsidy for upper class families to send their kids to private schools. It'd be different if vouchers covered the full amount, but they don't and never will.

It's the same class warfare Repubs have been selling and winning for decades.

 

[manimal]

Vouchers are merely a subsidy for upper class families to send their kids to private schools. It'd be different if vouchers covered the full amount, but they don't and never will.

It's the same class warfare Repubs have been selling and winning for decades.

this-


creating greater disparity based on class one kid at a time!


MANDATE!