"Joe the Plumber" as an expression...

[WhipperSnapper]

Has anyone encountered evidence that the term "Joe the Plumber" is likely to take on a life of its own after the election and become a common expression to refer to a buffoonish, hypocritical member of the working class who moronically votes for or supports a policy that goes against his own rational and economic selfish interest?

The term might be used in a context such as, '"Joe the Plumber here (friend points or thumbs to another friend} supported bailing out the rich CEOs"' or '"Joe the Plumber here supported the tax cuts for the rich."' I haven't come across any such usage yet but I can see the potential.

 

[QuantumPion]

I thought "Joe the plumber" was an expression showing how an unstoppable juggernaut political machine backed by media cronies would do anything to protect the image of their messiah candidate, including sicking their lawyer and media armies against some random guy that got said messiah candidate to embarrass himself, thus taking attention away from the gaffe and sacrificing the random guy on the altar of the polling gods.

Or maybe that's just me.

 

[Specop 007]

Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

It seems Obamas tax policies sure as hell bothered Joe now didnt they? So it seems Joe reasonably thinks hes gonna break that 250k ceiling doesnt it?

Dont be angry he has plans for his future and you have.....Obama. He'll be sure to give you what you need at others expense. Relax. Enjoy the gubment cheese.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

It seems Obamas tax policies sure as hell bothered Joe now didnt they? So it seems Joe reasonably thinks hes gonna break that 250k ceiling doesnt it?

Dont be angry he has plans for his future and you have.....Obama. He'll be sure to give you what you need at others expense. Relax. Enjoy the gubment cheese.

The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

It seems Obamas tax policies sure as hell bothered Joe now didnt they? So it seems Joe reasonably thinks hes gonna break that 250k ceiling doesnt it?

Dont be angry he has plans for his future and you have.....Obama. He'll be sure to give you what you need at others expense. Relax. Enjoy the gubment cheese.

The guy didn't understand Obama's plan. Turns out he had no need to worry for 2 reasons:

1) He would not have made over $250k

2) He didn't Pay his Taxes anyway so why worry about an increase?

 

[zoiks]

How do you find out if some has paid his taxes or not? Is this public information that someone can go and find out? I'm just wondering if Sam the unlicensed plumber who owes back taxes owned up himself or it was dug up by someone else.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

I thought you said in the other thread that you're not following this election.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

just like you are assuming joe "had a plan" when there is evidence to the contrary (ie unlicensed, tax-dodger.)

sounds good :thumbsup:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Has anyone encountered evidence that the term "Joe the Plumber" is likely to take on a life of its own after the election and become a common expression to refer to a buffoonish, hypocritical member of the working class who moronically votes for or supports a policy that goes against his own rational and economic selfish interest?

The term might be used in a context such as, '"Joe the Plumber here (friend points or thumbs to another friend} supported bailing out the rich CEOs"' or '"Joe the Plumber here supported the tax cuts for the rich."' I haven't come across any such usage yet but I can see the potential.

I guess he still believes the American dream...go figure. Rationally, we'd all want the government to take money from the people that made it and give it to us, right? My money, their money, what's the difference?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

Where did I state that I make 900K a year smartass? I work(ed) thousands of hours of OT for my pay including 1,500 hours of OT in 2005. I drive a 6 year old Dodge Intrepid and a 2007 Cobalt Coupe (my daughter's but it's economical on gas). My home is paid for because I sent in my overtime money to pay for it. To infer that I'm lazy or worthless because Obama gives me more money gets the ole "fuck you" treatment.

Joe was a ploy and it's failed, period. Just because the rest of us working people don't have a "business plan", we are lazy and worthless? You are not the only person to suggest that....and anyone who does deserves the ole "1 finger victory salute".

Let's just "ASSUME" that I make 900k and drive....er...let's just assume you're full of shit.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

It seems Obamas tax policies sure as hell bothered Joe now didnt they? So it seems Joe reasonably thinks hes gonna break that 250k ceiling doesnt it?

Dont be angry he has plans for his future and you have.....Obama. He'll be sure to give you what you need at others expense. Relax. Enjoy the gubment cheese.

The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

That's the attitude!
I'm sure the 2 kid families living in nyc feel the same, lets pile your bills on top of their 3K/mo rent.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

Where did I state that I make 900K a year smartass? I work(ed) thousands of hours of OT for my pay including 1,500 hours of OT in 2005. I drive a 6 year old Dodge Intrepid and a 2007 Cobalt Coupe (my daughter's but it's economical on gas). My home is paid for because I sent in my overtime money to pay for it. To infer that I'm lazy or worthless because Obama gives me more money gets the ole "fuck you" treatment.

Joe was a ploy and it's failed, period. Just because the rest of us working people don't have a "business plan", we are lazy and worthless? You are not the only person to suggest that....and anyone who does deserves the ole "1 finger victory salute".

Let's just "ASSUME" that I make 900k and drive....er...let's just assume you're full of shit.

You assume Joe has no plan and continue to do so. You have that typical spoiled baby attitude of "Theres no way HE could make that much money, its all a ploy". You just dont know, but you do a very fine job of talking out your ass. You're management arent you?

Its that simple. Type all the cutesy "fuck you's" you want. In your mind people "like him" are incapable of ever making a good living.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: halikI guess he still believes the American dream...go figure. Rationally, we'd all want the government to take money from the people that made it and give it to us, right? My money, their money, what's the difference?

One of the big issues is whether all of those people who are "making the money" have actually earned the money or whether some of the money they "earned" came at the expense of the lower classes--the business that's more profitable because it fired the American employees and hired foreigners on H-1B visas, for example. Arguably, the upper classes have been waging class warfare against the lower classes for a couple decades now, sending American jobs overseas and importing foreigners (visas, mass immigration) to depress wages, etc.

Also, you need to remember that a great many Americans (including many college-educated folks) feel that they too work very hard and that they too should be "making the money" but that through no fault of their own--just a lack of opportunity to do so--they aren't, which implies that many of the people who are "making the money" are doing so partly as a matter of luck--of having known the right people, etc.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Damn, Eng, those sure are some fancy veehicles yah got there - makes mah '93 Shivey Van look like a junker (and it is - LOL - but it gets 20mpg)

Joe the Plumber is sooo played. George 'Macaca' Allen was on the tube yesterday and in one segment not only used Joe, but Ken the Trucker, Tito the Electrician and Karl the Crackhead ...

It's gotten so ridiculous it's almost risen to the level of a Specop post ...

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Voting against the guy that would take more of your money in the form of taxes to give it to a group whos by and large lazy and worthless and doesnt pay any taxes is considered voting against ones own self interest now?


Speaking of buffoonish.....I think the OP may very well fit that description....

So Joe now makes more than $250,000 after deductions? Does the company he works for? Joe would have gotten more back under Obama's plan now and for the forseeable future and wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

Also, if I get more of my money back under Obama, am I lazy and worthless?

I've got a "fuck you" in the bullpen (and for ProfJohn too from the last thread) if you give the wrong answer?

It seems Obamas tax policies sure as hell bothered Joe now didnt they? So it seems Joe reasonably thinks hes gonna break that 250k ceiling doesnt it?

Dont be angry he has plans for his future and you have.....Obama. He'll be sure to give you what you need at others expense. Relax. Enjoy the gubment cheese.

So you're saying that Today Joe is lazy and worthless, and Future Joe who will probably never exist is an upstanding citizen?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

Where did I state that I make 900K a year smartass? I work(ed) thousands of hours of OT for my pay including 1,500 hours of OT in 2005. I drive a 6 year old Dodge Intrepid and a 2007 Cobalt Coupe (my daughter's but it's economical on gas). My home is paid for because I sent in my overtime money to pay for it. To infer that I'm lazy or worthless because Obama gives me more money gets the ole "fuck you" treatment.

Joe was a ploy and it's failed, period. Just because the rest of us working people don't have a "business plan", we are lazy and worthless? You are not the only person to suggest that....and anyone who does deserves the ole "1 finger victory salute".

Let's just "ASSUME" that I make 900k and drive....er...let's just assume you're full of shit.

You assume Joe has no plan and continue to do so. You have that typical spoiled baby attitude of "Theres no way HE could make that much money, its all a ploy". You just dont know, but you do a very fine job of talking out your ass. You're management arent you?

Its that simple. Type all the cutesy "fuck you's" you want. In your mind people "like him" are incapable of ever making a good living.

First: I'm not management and have no plan or desire to be a manager. I prefer to actually do hands on work.

Joe may have a plan and it may suceed, but he's nowhere near getting a tax increase under Obama and would have gotten a BIGGER cut under Obama than McCain, period. You and Joe and vote for higher taxes if you wish, I'm voting for a bigger tax cut (less taxes) for me.

I didn't state he couldn't make a good living either. I stated he is not currently what McCain is trying to display him as, period.

Now if you have the guts, do you think I'm lazy and worthless? Spell it out little man.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Damn, Eng, those sure are some fancy veehicles yah got there - makes mah '93 Shivey Van look like a junker (and it is - LOL - but it gets 20mpg)

LOL. I paid $12,500 for a brand new Cobalt Coupe that listed for $17,500. I work in automotive, thought it was a good deal and it helped my company. It gets 31 mpg when I drive it to work and has been as high as 36 on the highway.

 

[quest55720]

When has Obama voted to lower taxes again. He sure did vote a lot to raise them. I don't blame joe for using Obama's past record to judge his tax plan. I will believe Obama will lower taxes when I see it with a democratic congress. I am betting on the working class on up getting a nice tax hike to pay for that trillion dollars of new spending.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: halikI guess he still believes the American dream...go figure. Rationally, we'd all want the government to take money from the people that made it and give it to us, right? My money, their money, what's the difference?

One of the big issues is whether all of those people who are "making the money" have actually earned the money or whether some of the money they "earned" came at the expense of the lower classes--the business that's more profitable because it fired the American employees and hired foreigners on H-1B visas, for example. Arguably, the upper classes have been waging class warfare against the lower classes for a couple decades now, sending American jobs overseas and importing foreigners (visas, mass immigration) to depress wages, etc.

Also, you need to remember that a great many Americans (including many college-educated folks) feel that they too work very hard and that they too should be "making the money" but that through no fault of their own--just a lack of opportunity to do so--they aren't, which implies that many of the people who are "making the money" are doing so partly as a matter of luck--of having known the right people, etc.

Well unless we're talking about products that are completely price-inelastic, those lower costs of productions have to, in turn, lead to lower prices (assuming our regulators work and there is some sort of competition). People bitch about walmart for example, but at the same time they enjoy that they can buy stuff there for significantly less (lower income people are the biggest benefactors).

As for your second point, it's only natural that not everyone ends up making it - if we all had million dollars in the bank, would it change anything? The fact that government won't tax your at 100% after you make X dollars serves as an incentive, otherwise none of us would have any drive to succeed.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer
The bullpen just called you. Joe wouldn't vote for Obama if Obama made Joe 100% tax free and both he and you know it. Joe was an attempt by McCain to make the "rich" look like an average Joe. It backfired as the Joe he picked was far from being in the income range to pay more under Obama. I pay my taxes and plenty of them. I guess I'm not supposed to get more of my money back? Screw that. I've been given large chunks of my 401k plan back for the last three years (and had to pay taxes on that) because I make too much because I work a thousand hours (or more) of overtime per year and am considered to be an HCE (Highly Compensated Employee), so screw that. If I can get more back and the rich pay more, than yay for me. If you and Joe are stupid enough to not get more back, that's your own ignorance.

Maybe someone can do a followup on Joe the Plumber and see how his plans for the future work out.

Oh I apologize Engineer. I forgot this is AT where we all make 900k a year and drive Ferrari's.

So, aside from all of us HCE individuals perhaps Joe has a plan and wants to make over 250k a year. You dont know that he didnt. A motivated tradesman could do it no problem.

But lets all ASSUME Joe was a set up.....

Where did I state that I make 900K a year smartass? I work(ed) thousands of hours of OT for my pay including 1,500 hours of OT in 2005. I drive a 6 year old Dodge Intrepid and a 2007 Cobalt Coupe (my daughter's but it's economical on gas). My home is paid for because I sent in my overtime money to pay for it. To infer that I'm lazy or worthless because Obama gives me more money gets the ole "fuck you" treatment.

Joe was a ploy and it's failed, period. Just because the rest of us working people don't have a "business plan", we are lazy and worthless? You are not the only person to suggest that....and anyone who does deserves the ole "1 finger victory salute".

Let's just "ASSUME" that I make 900k and drive....er...let's just assume you're full of shit.

You assume Joe has no plan and continue to do so. You have that typical spoiled baby attitude of "Theres no way HE could make that much money, its all a ploy". You just dont know, but you do a very fine job of talking out your ass. You're management arent you?

Its that simple. Type all the cutesy "fuck you's" you want. In your mind people "like him" are incapable of ever making a good living.

I've heard of skilled tradesmen in cali pulling 6 figures, especially if they run their own shop. Nothing that unheard of...

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: quest55720
When has Obama voted to lower taxes again. He sure did vote a lot to raise them. I don't blame joe for using Obama's past record to judge his tax plan. I will believe Obama will lower taxes when I see it with a democratic congress. I am betting on the working class on up getting a nice tax hike to pay for that trillion dollars of new spending.

McCain will raise taxes.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Specop 007


You assume Joe has no plan and continue to do so. You have that typical spoiled baby attitude of "Theres no way HE could make that much money, its all a ploy". You just dont know, but you do a very fine job of talking out your ass. You're management arent you?

Its that simple. Type all the cutesy "fuck you's" you want. In your mind people "like him" are incapable of ever making a good living.

I'm sure he'll have no trouble paying those back taxes then.