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quest55720

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I love the attack on Joe the plumber.

"Joe the Unlicensed Tax Dodger in Ohio" WTF is with that? Joe asked a legit question. It is Obama's answer that is the problem, not the guy who asked the question.
WTF PJ.... of course its relevant. Joe is a liar, and a tax dodger, who's real name is Steve. What the fuck happend to individual responsibility that the GOP touts so much?
That is why I am not voting for Joe.
Stop being deliberately dense. We're not voting for Wright, Ayers, etc either. Sheez...
Actually we are since those are the people who helped shaped the views Obama has now. It is not like Obama had the guts to ever go against them. Obama will be a very weak president who will let the democratic congress run rough shot all over him. Pelosi/Reid are licking their chops right now. They will be able to get anything they want signed into law. I am sure the fairness doctrine will be first up to kill the voice of those who stand against them.

 

jonks

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Why is this now a thread on Joe the Plumber when he was mentioned as a throw-away line in that op-ed? Oh yeah, cuz PJ wanted to derail the thread and avoid talking about everything the author actually was writing about. Worked I guess.

Repeat, the op-ed is about Cohen's seeing McCain's hypocrisy on socialism and lowball campaign tactics. He hired the mofo's who f'd him in 2000. He has given up any claim to straight talk or respectable campaigning. He is literally in say-anything do-anything to win mode. But this is not a smart move when your chances are at 5% and you are shitting on your entire life legacy. But hey, his choice I guess. He will no longer be remembered fondly.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I love the attack on Joe the plumber.

"Joe the Unlicensed Tax Dodger in Ohio" WTF is with that? Joe asked a legit question. It is Obama's answer that is the problem, not the guy who asked the question.
WTF PJ.... of course its relevant. Joe is a liar, and a tax dodger, who's real name is Steve. What the fuck happend to individual responsibility that the GOP touts so much?
That is why I am not voting for Joe.
Stop being deliberately dense. We're not voting for Wright, Ayers, etc either. Sheez...
Actually we are since those are the people who helped shaped the views Obama has now. It is not like Obama had the guts to ever go against them. Obama will be a very weak president who will let the democratic congress run rough shot all over him. Pelosi/Reid are licking their chops right now. They will be able to get anything they want signed into law. I am sure the fairness doctrine will be first up to kill the voice of those who stand against them.
The really sad part is that some of McCain's supporters actually believe this.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Joe's defamation by Obama and his thugs shows what Kid Sunshine is really about. He's a creep.
You just broke my irony meter! :|
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: abaez
Originally posted by: T2T III

2- Don't chose someone who would benefit more from the other guys plan

- With all this lower tax rhetoric, I'd still like to see a two column comparison where a $38,500 a year plumber would pay less taxes under the Obama plan. I want to see the real numbers, not just using the same talking point of "lower taxes" over and over.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...9/ST2008060900950.html
Thank you for providing me with a link of the rates and the breakdown. I really appreciate it.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: Thump553

Go to Obama's website-it's laid out rather clearly

Italicized comments are mine.
Thanks, but I'd rather not give the Obama Web site the benefit of one more Web click on their counter.

Non-slanted information laid out showing both plans is ideally what I look at. From there, I make my decisions.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: jonks
Why is this now a thread on Joe the Plumber when he was mentioned as a throw-away line in that op-ed? Oh yeah, cuz PJ wanted to derail the thread and avoid talking about everything the author actually was writing about. Worked I guess.

Repeat, the op-ed is about Cohen's seeing McCain's hypocrisy on socialism and lowball campaign tactics. He hired the mofo's who f'd him in 2000. He has given up any claim to straight talk or respectable campaigning. He is literally in say-anything do-anything to win mode. But this is not a smart move when your chances are at 5% and you are shitting on your entire life legacy. But hey, his choice I guess. He will no longer be remembered fondly.
Yep, McCain supported $700 billion bailout, but would never spread the wealth. It'd be comical if it weren't so sad.

Plato said that "Those who seek power are not worthy of that power." Meaning that the quest for power can cause one to abandon all the ethical and moral principles required for the faithful execution of that power. McCain has long ago crossed that line.
 

Lemon law

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Assuming that Joe the plumber was not plant, he happened to accidentally ask a very profound question. And got a well reasoned response from Barack Obama, given the Obama response was basically off the top of his head. I am sure that a better reasoned response could be given with advance notice, but it still got to the heart of tax policy.

But still what Joe is asserting is that if he works hard, he ought to be rich, and better yet, should not have to pay his fair share of taxes. And the Obama response was that unless the tax burden is fairly borne, all wealth will go only to the rich, and Joe will have no customers able to afford his services.

As for Joe, its not Obama's fault that the media exposed Joe for what he was. His walk did not match his talk.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jonks
Why is this now a thread on Joe the Plumber when he was mentioned as a throw-away line in that op-ed? Oh yeah, cuz PJ wanted to derail the thread and avoid talking about everything the author actually was writing about. Worked I guess.

Repeat, the op-ed is about Cohen's seeing McCain's hypocrisy on socialism and lowball campaign tactics. He hired the mofo's who f'd him in 2000. He has given up any claim to straight talk or respectable campaigning. He is literally in say-anything do-anything to win mode. But this is not a smart move when your chances are at 5% and you are shitting on your entire life legacy. But hey, his choice I guess. He will no longer be remembered fondly.
Yep, McCain supported $700 billion bailout, but would never spread the wealth. It'd be comical if it weren't so sad.

Plato said that "Those who seek power are not worthy of that power." Meaning that the quest for power can cause one to abandon all the ethical and moral principles required for the faithful execution of that power. McCain has long ago crossed that line.
And back in 2000, wasn't it McCain that was against Bushes tax cuts for the wealthy?

We all forgot how convienently McCain flip flopped on this issue. And for the past 2-3 weeks he has been hammering the "socialist" card day after day.

who is the real socialist McCain?

 

TeeJay1952

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Joe was touted by McCain without being vetted. It was a debate and in that debate McCain used Joe's name over and over again WITHOUT ever talking to the man or having someone look into his background. While being very mavericky it wasn't very smart. Sort of going off half cocked. Allot like his choice of Palin. When you use someone as a source of information you need to know who they are. All the crap that hit Joe's fan after the debate was McCain's doing not Obama's When you step into the limelight (Like asking a difficult question to a candidate in front of cameras) you should have your ducks in a row. (you know like having a plumber's license and a business that merits tax inquiries)
 

BMW540I6speed

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
What does he say about how the leftists have treated Palin?
Don't get your LDS get the best of you. I know plenty of "rightists" who dont like her. Go figure?!
 

sandorski

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This whole "spreading the Wealth" angle of Attack is just perplexing. The idea behind any Economic system is exactly how to accomplish "spreading the Wealth". It seems the Reagan Flow Up/Trickle Down has not only fooled some, but made them also completely forget about the "American Dream" and other such Ideals that reward those with Good Ideas and/or Work Ethic. Has McCain adopted a platform centered around Feudalism?
 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Joe is not a great symbol for McCain, given his back taxes, but to my knowledge he doesn't burn cats for fun. He was indeed just taking an opportunity to ask a question and if Obama's answer hadn't annoyed so many people, Joe would not be getting the flak he is. Clearly--and I did find humor in it, I will admit--attacks on Joe are an effort to discredit what can be a legitimate issue and a controversial answer.
Are you certain that Joe the Plumber wasn't a Republican plant?

Does anyone think that the term "Joe the Plumber" will take on a life of its own after the election to refer to a hypocritical member of the working class in a political context--someone who moronically votes against their own rational and economic selfish interests?
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
What does he say about how the leftists have treated Palin?
Yeah, they really went to town on her when they asked her about what she reads...

Maybe if she wasn't so divisive and vitriolic she would be seen more favorably by independants and dems.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

I love the attack on Joe the plumber.
He probably loves it, too. It extended his fifteen minutes. :cool:

"Joe the Unlicensed Tax Dodger in Ohio" WTF is with that? Joe asked a legit question. It is Obama's answer that is the problem, not the guy who asked the question.
"The guy who asked the question" was a put up job who represented himself as someone and something he isn't. Obama didn't know that, but he answered him directly, on the spot.

Strangely, under Sam, aka Joe, would actually come out ahead under Obama's plan, not McCain's, but Joe, aka Sam, didn't want to let reality get in the way of giving the camera his canned, preconceived propoganda. :roll:[/quote]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

What does he say about how the leftists have treated Palin?
You mean "leftists" like George Will, Kathleen Parker, David Frum, David Brooks, Lincoln Chafee, Charles Krauthammer and Colin Powell? :confused:

It says she's been treated about fairly across the political spectrum by anyone with a brain and rightly recognized as the Lipstick Dipstick. That includes many polls showing McCain's choice of Palin as the number one reason people question his judgment.

Although Palin, herself, doesn't have a clue about the actual duties of the Vice Presiden, the number one responsiblity of the job is to be ready and competent to step in as President should the President become unable to continue.

Palin is not just unqualified to be President, she's stupid enough to be dangerous if she ever got there. :thumbdown;
 

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