We're talking afghanistan here, not Iraq. The republicans didn't "screw america" by invading afghanistan. There is very little disagreement on if we should be in Afghanistan. The Republicans didn't push invading afghanistan "onto you" by a longshot.
What the dems are whining about are the tactics that were used. If they don't have better tactics and aren't willing to introduce them as legislation, then they should STFU.
What the dems are whining about are the tactics that were used. If they don't have better tactics and aren't willing to introduce them as legislation, then they should STFU.
The issue is that the legislature is a terrible place to implement a war/battle strategy. How do you legislate ground troops or battlefield strategies? Yes, Congress has completely failed in its oversight role. But, ultimately, the onus is on the President and the administration and his secretaries/military leaders to execute a plan. The people in 2004 voted to "stay the course" in Iraq and Afghanistan and Bush was reelected. Until you replace the people in charge, they are ultimately responsible.
Pens1566
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Good work with the strawmen.
No one is saying they "screwed america" (nice quote that never appears here btw) by invading afghanistan. They did screw it up once there, and again by pulling SF troops out before the job was done in order to go on that sightseeing trip in Iraq. Or do you disagree with those points as well?
All 3 of those are about Iraq. They say nothing about re-deploying troops to afghanistan. No dem has made any proposal about "finishing the job" in afghanistan that I'm aware of.
Apparently you don't work for a living. People screw up all the time in the real world. Eventually they get fired, but often times everyone has to pitch in to clean up the mess they created.
Or perhaps that's common to dems in the workplace - they go "ain't my fault he screwed up, I'm not helping clean up his mess till he gets fired". Hmm, maybe I'm seeing a trend here...
Hey look, same non-answer 3 times.
I'm sure you'll have a great plan...it will sound something like this:
"well, we could have done something but now we can't and it's all Bush's fault". We'll continue the cycle of blaming the previous president for all of our woes.
Meanwhile, Iran will have gone nuclear, Saudi Arabia will follow closely behind. But hey, you'll have got your impeachment and endless investigations! Heck, you might even pass a minimum wage raise (if those darn republicans will stop fillibustering you at every turn), and we can fight over universal healthcare some more! You'll be in power, you'll have gotten revenge, and that's what important.
Yup, I can't wait for your kick-ass plan and turn in power to come around :roll:
That's a personal attack? LOL...need a bandaid?
PS: going to withdraw your comment "No one is saying they "screwed america" (nice quote that never appears here btw)"?
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Yeah, I'm so hurt.
I forgot that having a rational discussion without making unfounded statements about people you know absolutely nothing about isn't allowed around here.As for my comment, of course I'll withdraw it. Some of us can admit mistakes. Unless you'd like me to ask you what your plan is to fix it?
Hey look, same non-answer 3 times. I already answered you each time. If you're vision is impared, I'll put it in bold caps:
THERE AR NO GOOD ANSWERS FOR THE MESS THE BUSHWHACKOS CREATED!
Sorry there are no Braille tags on this forum.
Clue -- If you include the entire administration, including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc., then yes, it IS all Bush's fault. If you have a problem with the reality of that, it's your problem.
Great analogy. I suppose you'll also want to skip pursuing and prosecuting all the other murderers, rapists and child molesters because you'd rather send all the cops and prosecutors after the mullahs in Iran.
I can wait forever for yours. Your assholes have been in charge for six years, and all they've brought us is disaster after disaster followed by more disasters. Enough is already too much! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
Outriding said exactly that, unless of course he was confusing Iraq with afghanistan. That happens a lot when you're infected with antibushitis
And neither has/have any of his party.
This is Biden blowing more hot air, as usual. The guy's a tool.
Bush and his band of criminals are the illness. Opposing their evil is the first step of the cure. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: alchemize
Outriding said exactly that, unless of course he was confusing Iraq with afghanistan. That happens a lot when you're infected with antibushitis
:thumbsup:
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Okay... Twenty something posts and nothing new...
Alright, forget all the bickering for a minute. Let's start fresh. It's 2008, and the Republicans are soundly defeated. The Democrats control both houses and are in the White House. You have all the legislative power needed to get whatever you want done. How do you do better?
Alright, forget all the bickering for a minute. Let's start fresh. It's 2008, and the Republicans are soundly defeated. The Democrats control both houses and are in the White House. You have all the legislative power needed to get whatever you want done. How do you do better?
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To start, use intelligence info to shape policy, not shape the intelligence to fit the policy. Trust the subject matter experts, instead of alienating and ignoring them to the point where they quit (CIA/state/armed services). That would be a good start.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Outriding said exactly that, unless of course he was confusing Iraq with afghanistan. That happens a lot when you're infected with antibushitis
Confusing the two???
It was President Bush who made the connection not I.
I am just playing the NeoCon game: Bush says so, so it must be true and I will not listen to anything else.
yllus, What Pens proposed is automatically better than what we have now. It's not hard to come up with a policy better than the Bush Administration's.
And asking someone "how do we do better" is automatically calling for a comparison of this administration to a future one. So yeah, proposed solutions are going to be a change, and thus a criticism, of the previous administration.
And asking someone "how do we do better" is automatically calling for a comparison of this administration to a future one. So yeah, proposed solutions are going to be a change, and thus a criticism, of the previous administration.
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