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GettyRoad

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I am personally pro-life, but I am a man and I can't speak out, so let the women do what they want, let them deal with the problem and let them leave the rest of America alone with it.

Taxpayers will probably be funding abortions on demand now, oh well.
 

Paladin3

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What are you basing this on? Because it sounds like some morality you've been subsumed by. This talk of responsibility, as though getting an abortion is some irresponsible choice... what the fuck?

Birth control can fail, people can find themselves otherwise blind-sided by life events. No one should feel shame about ending a pregnancy for any reason.

Just stop it.
Having an abortion is only irresponsible if it is used as your first and only line of birth control, and that's exactly what I've been saying in this thread and many others. And while I may think of it as irresponsible, especially if you expect federal funding to pay for that aborting, it's still in society's best interest to prevent unwanted children from being born to folks who aren't able or willing to raise them.

There are many other good and valid reasons to have an abortion, but that still doesn't make the choice easy. Even if we think of a tiny fetus as just a collection of cells, we are still ending a potential human life. This is why I support better sex ed and birth control education, along with keeping abortion legal and readily available.
 

ch33zw1z

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Having an abortion is only irresponsible if it is used as your first and only line of birth control, and that's exactly what I've been saying in this thread and many others. And while I may think of it as irresponsible, especially if you expect federal funding to pay for that aborting, it's still in society's best interest to prevent unwanted children from being born to folks who aren't able or willing to raise them.

There are many other good and valid reasons to have an abortion, but that still doesn't make the choice easy. Even if we think of a tiny fetus as just a collection of cells, we are still ending a potential human life. This is why I support better sex ed and birth control education, along with keeping abortion legal and readily available.

Looking back at the time line of Roe v Wade up to today, it seems that sex ed and birth control are where they are today because of Roe v Wade. It certainly seems as those things are more widely discussed than pre-Roe v Wade. But, guess who fights against those discussions? Pushes abstinence only education? Simultaneously roll back Roe v Wade?

Abortion rates are at their lowest that we know of. Granted, states aren't required to report their abortion rates, last time I checked.
 

dawp

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"stolen seats"


hahahahahahahaha
quite a few of the judgeships were held up by mcconnel for the sole purpose of having a republican president fill them, I don't know how you'd describe that other than being stolen. they are stacking the courts with right wing ideologues.

do you not agree that the courts are no place for politics? this WILL affect us for years to come.
 

soundforbjt

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Heard on TV about an npr poll shows only 13% want Roe v Wade overturned.
An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey found that three-quarters of Americans want the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v. Wade. Just 13% overall say it should be overturned.
 

Jaskalas

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Biden is certainly a moderate at heart.

But does anyone really believe he would take action to oppose Democrats on Abortion? Those who denounced Biden for his original position, what difference would he make? None, and I expect you to know that.
 

jackstar7

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Having an abortion is only irresponsible if it is used as your first and only line of birth control, and that's exactly what I've been saying in this thread and many others. And while I may think of it as irresponsible, especially if you expect federal funding to pay for that aborting, it's still in society's best interest to prevent unwanted children from being born to folks who aren't able or willing to raise them.

There are many other good and valid reasons to have an abortion, but that still doesn't make the choice easy. Even if we think of a tiny fetus as just a collection of cells, we are still ending a potential human life. This is why I support better sex ed and birth control education, along with keeping abortion legal and readily available.
To the bolded, why?

Because it's so easy? Oh wait, you later say it's not easy... so again, why is it ever irresponsible?

You've yet to explain this unless your only point of contention is public funding, at which point... why is that a sticking point? We fund all kinds of healthcare. This one matters why?
 

dainthomas

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To the bolded, why?

Because it's so easy? Oh wait, you later say it's not easy... so again, why is it ever irresponsible?

You've yet to explain this unless your only point of contention is public funding, at which point... why is that a sticking point? We fund all kinds of healthcare. This one matters why?

Jeebus
 

Paladin3

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To the bolded, why?

Because it's so easy? Oh wait, you later say it's not easy... so again, why is it ever irresponsible?

You've yet to explain this unless your only point of contention is public funding, at which point... why is that a sticking point? We fund all kinds of healthcare. This one matters why?
You are being dense to try and pick a fight. I shouldn't even have typed this reply. If you can't understand my position from my many lengthy posts then there's nothing more I can add that is likely to clarify things for you. We're done.
 

jackstar7

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You are being dense to try and pick a fight. I shouldn't even have typed this reply. If you can't understand my position from my many lengthy posts then there's nothing more I can add that is likely to clarify things for you. We're done.
Picking a fight? I'm saying and explaining that there is not moral issue with abortion except for those that impose one.

Abortion doesn't and shouldn't have a stigma attached to it and anyone who perpetuates it and makes life harder for women should think about why it is that they do so.
 
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BoomerD

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I've been a registered Democrat for almost 50 years and support the right of a woman to choose...but I DON'T support federal funding for abortions. That's "elective" surgery in MOST cases. Pay it out of pocket or use your health insurance. (SHOULD be covered by Obamacare...AND since that's "private" insurance, does not constitute government funding for abortion)
 

feralkid

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I've been a registered Democrat for almost 50 years and support the right of a woman to choose...but I DON'T support federal funding for abortions. That's "elective" surgery in MOST cases. Pay it out of pocket or use your health insurance. (SHOULD be covered by Obamacare...AND since that's "private" insurance, does not constitute government funding for abortion)


Just an FYI, The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), Medicaid and Medicare are all funded by federal dollars.
 

BoomerD

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Just an FYI, The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), Medicaid and Medicare are all funded by federal dollars.

Yes, as someone who has both Medicare which I pay for monthly (me) and Obamacare (my wife) I'm fully aware, yet, I also have a Medicare Advantage plan (which I pay for monthly)...which makes Medicare "private" insurance, and since we pay premiums for the federally mandated Obamacare and get to choose both provider and plan coverage, that makes it subsidized private insurance.
 

jackstar7

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I've been a registered Democrat for almost 50 years and support the right of a woman to choose...but I DON'T support federal funding for abortions. That's "elective" surgery in MOST cases. Pay it out of pocket or use your health insurance. (SHOULD be covered by Obamacare...AND since that's "private" insurance, does not constitute government funding for abortion)
Calling it elective is really an absurd position to take a stand upon.

It can, in some cases, be life-threatening in various ways.

Also, what do you care if you're paying for it? How could that possibly matter to you?
 

Muse

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Otoh, from personal experience, I know of two women that considered abortion because of dumb BC methods (basically lack there of) and this was plan B.
Doesn't have to be "dumb," sometimes women get prego because they're unlucky. What was that line in Jurassic Park? Nature finds a way. Nature found a way in that movie with disastrous results. Women have the right to exercise birth control (well, some retards don't accept that), but if they get pregnant unwittingly and don't want to go to term they should have every right to terminate their pregnancy in the least destructive way.

It happened to me (my first GF) and we did exercise BC, but were hell of unlucky. Terrible story I won't tell here. At the time the wind was blowing against us. I've been 100% in favor of availability of abortions on demand ever since.
 

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Typical leftist. Spinless, pro-murder. Biden is an incompetent buffoon. I admit Trump is too, but at least he is right where Biden is wrong. And he actually is doing what's good for American, unlike literally all of the democrats, who are are all literally traitors.
 
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Typical leftist. Spinless, pro-murder. Biden is an incompetent buffoon. I admit Trump is too, but at least he is right where Biden is wrong. And he actually is doing what's good for American, unlike literally all of the democrats, who are are all literally traitors.

How's the weather in St. Petersburg these days?
 
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Maxima1

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BoomerD

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Calling it elective is really an absurd position to take a stand upon.

It can, in some cases, be life-threatening in various ways.

Also, what do you care if you're paying for it? How could that possibly matter to you?


The "in most cases" leaves room for life-threatening situations, rape, and incest. IMO, those are all legitimate reasons for abortion, but "oops, I fucked up and got knocked up again" shouldn't be.
As a man, I really don't believe I have any say about abortion...whether a woman should get one or not, whether it's right or wrong...BUT, as a taxpayer, (even retired, I pay federal taxes every year) I DO think I should be entitled to a say as to whether abortions are taxpayer funded...want to do that? OK, make ALL medical taxpayer funded. Go full-on socialist medicine. In a country as rich as ours, as powerful as ours, and as great as ours, there's absolutely ZERO reason for anyone to go bankrupt over medical bills, for anyone to have to choose between seeing a doctor or putting food on the table, or for anyone to die because of a lack of medical care.
 

dawp

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Typical leftist. Spinless, pro-murder. Biden is an incompetent buffoon. I admit Trump is too, but at least he is right where Biden is wrong. And he actually is doing what's good for American, unlike literally all of the democrats, who are are all literally traitors.
self description?

trump has been incompetent since at least the 1980s, after all, how else do you bankrupt casinos repeatedly if not for incompetence or criminal malfeasance.
 

Muse

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The "in most cases" leaves room for life-threatening situations, rape, and incest. IMO, those are all legitimate reasons for abortion, but "oops, I fucked up and got knocked up again" shouldn't be.
You are betraying a lack of empathy with those words... majorly. In fact you are clearly masquerading palpable malice.
 

jackstar7

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The "in most cases" leaves room for life-threatening situations, rape, and incest. IMO, those are all legitimate reasons for abortion, but "oops, I fucked up and got knocked up again" shouldn't be.
As a man, I really don't believe I have any say about abortion...whether a woman should get one or not, whether it's right or wrong...BUT, as a taxpayer, (even retired, I pay federal taxes every year) I DO think I should be entitled to a say as to whether abortions are taxpayer funded...want to do that? OK, make ALL medical taxpayer funded. Go full-on socialist medicine. In a country as rich as ours, as powerful as ours, and as great as ours, there's absolutely ZERO reason for anyone to go bankrupt over medical bills, for anyone to have to choose between seeing a doctor or putting food on the table, or for anyone to die because of a lack of medical care.

How about for a woman who is domestically abused/assaulted by the sperm-donor? Does she get an "exception" also? Or is her judgment in the situation leaving her responsible? I think your moralizing is dubious.

Also, I'm for gov't medical care for all, but in the meantime, abortions on demand without the bullshit would be good for women and society as a whole and you never explained why paying for them bothers you.
 
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Paladin3

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The "in most cases" leaves room for life-threatening situations, rape, and incest. IMO, those are all legitimate reasons for abortion, but "oops, I fucked up and got knocked up again" shouldn't be.
It doesn't really mater how a woman got pregnant if it's an unwanted pregnancy. If we deny or stigmatize abortion to the point she gives birth to an unwanted child it hurts society as a whole. We can offer better sex and birth control education and hope that reduces the need for abortions, but society looses in the long run if a woman isn't free to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

And I would think the average U.S. taxpayer would rather fund an abortion than pay the price of supporting and parenting a child born to a mother who wasn't ready to do so herself. That doesn't mean we need to celebrate abortion as a frontline birth control method, but when it's necessary we need, as a society, to support any woman who makes that decision.

Society as a whole suffers anytime one of it's members finds roadblocks on their path to being a self-supporting, law-abiding, contributing citizen. Empathy, compassion and education all pay off in the long run. We can try to teach responsibility along the way, but if someone doesn't get it we, have to at least minimize the damage they can do. Keeping abortion legal and readily available helps do that.
 
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Blackjack200

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The "in most cases" leaves room for life-threatening situations, rape, and incest. IMO, those are all legitimate reasons for abortion, but "oops, I fucked up and got knocked up again" shouldn't be.

At the end of the day it's **always** about punishing women for having sex.